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Are we teaching our camera to reject reflections?

OliverAli0189 · 2026年4月20日 20:21 UTC

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OliverAli0189
We're planning presenting reflective components for surface inspection, with Fairino FR5 presenting a bright-finished enclosure faceplate to a fixed camera in a precision metal-parts inspection area. Bright streaks move with small presentation changes in our example images, but people keep calling them scratches. We haven't commissioned the cell. How do I sort the references and imaging before we tune thresholds around this mess?

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NaomiAllen0332

Were those scratches confirmed on the physical samples using your agreed appearance method? Start by linking each image to a sample and its inspection result.

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OliverAli0189

Some labels came from the pictures alone. We still have the samples, but those labels aren't tied to physical inspection results. That's irritatingly circular.

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NaomiAllen0332

Mark those labels uncertain and have the samples inspected properly. Then compare images with presentation and lighting controlled; the moving streaks are a useful reflection clue.

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DanielAbbott0043

@NaomiAllen0332 A scratch's visibility can change with presentation too. Don't let 'moving streak' quietly become the rule for relabelling something acceptable.

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NaomiAllen0332

You're right to qualify that. The streak behaviour motivates an imaging investigation; it doesn't replace physical classification under the agreed inspection procedure.

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TheoAbbott0062

So uncertain isn't the same as good? Where do those images go?

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NaomiAllen0332

Keep them explicitly undecided, with the sample link. Don't use them as confirmed examples of either class until the physical review settles them.

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OliverAli0189

Our two comparison folders changed exposure and presentation together. I can't tell which change made the images look better. That comparison needs a caveat too.

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KaiAli0193

@OliverAli0189 On my inspection setup, a folder called 'better lighting' also contained easier samples. The folder name was doing a lot of unearned work.

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OliverAli0189
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@KaiAli0193 What did you keep beside each image? I can manage sample ID and settings, but I don't want a form nobody fills in.

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KaiAli0193

@OliverAli0189 For my separate setup, sample identity, exposure, lighting arrangement and presentation condition were the useful essentials. They let us understand comparisons without relying on recollection.

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NaomiAllen0332
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Use those details to ask your vision specialist for controlled comparisons on representative surfaces. Keep the sample set fixed when assessing an acquisition change.

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TheoAbbott0062

Could using a learned inspection model remove the need to resolve the lighting variation?

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NaomiAllen0332

It still needs trustworthy labels and representative evaluation. A different model doesn't establish whether your reference scratches are real or your acquisition comparison is fair.

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DanielAbbott0043

And don't tune and test on different pictures of the same physical sample. That isn't the independence the result would suggest.

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OliverAli0189

I'll keep all images of one sample together when we split tuning and evaluation sets. Our file names alone wouldn't have caught that overlap.

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NaomiAllen0332

@OliverAli0189 Report missed defects and false rejects separately on the held-out samples. One agreement percentage can hide which mistake your method is making.

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OliverAli0189

@NaomiAllen0332 The reference problem is clearer, but I still can't judge inspection performance from our example images. The physical labels and image comparisons need more work.

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NaomiAllen0332

That follows from the reference gap. Explaining it more clearly helps, but the images still can't carry a performance claim.

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