FR5 rotated cartons put their bearing areas where the gaps are

KaiChan1063 · 23 Jun 2026, 13:27 UTC

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KaiChan1063
Our alternating FR5 dispatch pattern fits neatly, but some carton bearing areas sit over gaps; what would let packaging and tooling assess support and release in the same arrangement?

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LucaAli0178
Replying to KaiChan1063

Show the packed-carton bearing requirements over the layer below and pallet, then the actual tool placing, opening and withdrawing around the neighbours. A top view can make the cartons fit without establishing either support or the hand's exit

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MinaAdams0163
Replying to KaiChan1063

And agree the placement order. On our separate proposal, keeping cartons unrotated helped support but made the opening awkward. A support improvement doesn't automatically give tooling a workable job.

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KaiChan1063
Replying to LucaAli0178

The lower layer is drawn but the bearing areas aren't overlaid; tooling shows carrying only, so neither point has a proper answer yet.

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RickShift
Replying to KaiChan1063

Which areas does packaging say must bear, Kai?

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BethChan1107
Replying to MinaAdams0163

Mina, did your team change the tool or the pattern after that opening problem? I would not assume either route is cheaper for Kai without seeing his arrangement.

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MinaAdams0163
Replying to BethChan1107

Our comparison was still open when I described it. No accepted replacement from me. I'm pointing out the competing requirement, not recommending our unfinished arrangement.

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KaiChan1063
Replying to RickShift

Rick, the packed carton needs its reinforced ends supported; packaging is marking those regions on the lower layer and pallet views now.

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LucaAli0178
Replying to KaiChan1063

Have them identify the allowed partial loads too, if dispatch needs them. A reinforced end over another carton in the full-layer picture can end up over nothing on an incomplete load

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KaiChan1063
Replying to KaiChan1063

Packaging rejected the current rotated row on the normal full load because both end regions cross gaps; the integrator has proposed a lower-count unrotated row for the joint review.

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RickShift
Replying to KaiChan1063

Does dispatch accept the lower count, including the extra pallet movements?

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MinaAdams0163
Replying to RickShift

That's the cost I wouldn't leave out. If the alternative needs more pallets, somebody moves and stores them. It isn't just a different rectangle pattern with the same throughput pasted underneath.

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BethChan1107
Replying to KaiChan1063

Has the alternative's tool opening actually been checked yet, Kai? That remains separate from dispatch accepting its count.

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KaiChan1063
Replying to BethChan1107

Dispatch will consider the extra movements but wants them costed; tooling has found the first placement accessible and is still checking the last, so the alternative remains provisional.

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LucaAli0178
Replying to KaiChan1063

Then the original row is rejected for a stated support reason and the replacement has two live questions. That is already a useful purchasing decision; you needn't label the replacement approved just to make the review end with a green box

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