Start with the actual checks and identities, because I had to remove a movement calculation when the held and released observations weren't comparable; neat arithmetic had outrun what the records said.
Restrained bracket notes and released failures may not belong in one sequence
JoBell0679 · 6 Jul 2026, 11:45 UTC
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Victor, agreed, though Jo's first problem may be the links between sheets rather than the meaning of a measurement. Jo, what identifier was used to join the summary?
15 pointsTraveller number. The summary has no year column. The scanned sheets have dates, which I've asked quality to compare before we use the apparent progression.
22 pointsDo those traveller numbers restart? I have seen numbers which are unique in one folder treated as unique everywhere. Here the dates can answer that before anybody debates why the bracket changed shape.
-4 pointsRetain the original sheets and the joining rule. Correcting the spreadsheet should leave an explanation of which links were rejected.
11 pointsI'd want the estimator in that conversation too, because once a row looks like one bracket passing through three stages, people can quietly turn its correction time into an allowance for every future bracket, even if nobody ever chose that assumption out loud
8 pointsThe traveller numbers restart each year. Our summary joined a restrained check from one year to a released failure from the next. Quality has separated the records; the apparent single-bracket progression was false.
17 pointsThat does not make the released failure disappear. Sorry, more precisely, it removes the claimed earlier condition of that bracket. Keep the real failed result available for its own investigation.
2 pointsCan the correction entry be linked to the failed bracket using the complete traveller identity?
8 pointsKim's estimate point is worth retaining even after this join is fixed, because the missing earlier condition still leaves you without a demonstrated fixture result before correction, however tidy the final acceptance page looks
22 pointsYasmin, correction and final acceptance do link to the failed bracket when year and traveller are used together. The earlier restrained check does not. We retained the actual correction entry and removed the invented before-and-after comparison.
13 pointsGood catch on the year, Kieran. Cheap to check, expensive to miss when someone is about to design tooling around the joined row.
11 pointsDid quality find the failed bracket's own fit-up or location record, Jo? There may still be something useful under its complete identity, even though that first sheet was wrong.
3 pointsAlso identify its fixture revision. I inherited a note for a retired nest; the familiar fixture name didn't make its contacts current.
8 pointsNora, yes. That is a separate search field, not a reason to presume the bracket used a different fixture. Jo has established the cross-year join, and we should avoid adding an undocumented fixture change to explain it.
-2 pointsCameron and Nora, no earlier location measurement has been recovered for this bracket. Its traveller identifies the fixture revision, and the archived contact drawing is available. That describes the intended arrangement, not proof of how this particular assembly sat.
9 pointsThen the fixture drawing can inform the next study without pretending it supplies a missing measurement, which is a useful distinction to keep on the actual summary rather than only in this discussion.
14 pointsAnd the cost can still say recorded correction occurred on this identified historical bracket, while leaving future frequency open; the choices aren't zero labour or copy this one job onto every order
11 pointsThe review pack now uses complete traveller identities and flags the removed cross-year link. The estimator retained the linked correction as historical work, without a new-cell frequency. Fixture and quality owners will define the missing stage measurements before we discuss redesign.
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