two good demos, two different jobs

NoraBennett0757 · 2 Feb 2026, 10:39 UTC

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NoraBennett0757
I watched one FR10 demo load pucks from a fresh tray and another candidate work from our scuffed workshop tray, then caught myself comparing the cycle times as though the preparation was the same. Need to get this shortlist onto one job before spending any more.

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GabrielBrown0888
Replying to NoraBennett0757

Send both suppliers the same tray description and sample condition first. Ask what they would change before demonstrating. That may explain the time difference without another video.

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RobinBrooks0860
Replying to GabrielBrown0888

And ask who did the changing, because the invisible person straightening every puck is usually very fast in edited videos.

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LiamBarnes0577
Replying to NoraBennett0757

I have seen a new tray cure a handling problem without changing the arm. Nora, would replacing your trays be acceptable if the cost and changeover work were included?

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LinBaker0444
Replying to GabrielBrown0888

I wouldn't insist on preserving a poor tray just to make a fair fight. Let them propose improvements, then price the whole job. Same requirements doesn't have to mean identical hardware.

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NoraBennett0757
Replying to LinBaker0444

Liam and Lin, new trays are possible, but ours return from another process and would need transferring into them; that's the work I don't want vanishing from the price.

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LuisBell0695
Replying to NoraBennett0757

That transfer could matter more than the motion time. Does either offer include who replenishes trays and what happens when a returning tray is unsuitable?

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Simon_Briggs
Replying to NoraBennett0757

Price a small tray-only change first. Could it help the current manual job even if you buy no robot?

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LeahBarnes0582
Replying to NoraBennett0757

Use identified examples of your normal returning trays and pucks, including the variation you actually accept, so each proposal addresses the same range rather than a particularly attractive sample.

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HanaBell0622
Replying to LuisBell0695

Who decides whether a returning tray is unsuitable?

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SaraBell0635
Replying to HanaBell0622

Hana, that question saved us a lot of fuss on a lab transfer job. We had a reject shelf but no rule for putting anything there. One shift rejected anything that rocked; another pressed it flat and carried on. Neither had been told what the downstream fixture could accept. The shelf filled up, then emptied again, and our lovely throughput figures meant very little. Nora, get that decision into the proposal before comparing the resulting counts.

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NoraBennett0757
Replying to HanaBell0622

Luis and Hana, our receiving operator decides now, mostly by whether the tray sits properly on its bench support; I've asked quality to define that check for the supplier brief, using Leah's identified examples.

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LinBaker0444
Replying to SaraBell0635

Sara's example is exactly why I'd avoid a forced identical-demo contest. One supplier might solve the incoming variation in the fixture and another might need tighter trays. Either can be legitimate if you can live with it.

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GabrielBrown0888
Replying to LinBaker0444

Lin, agreed on alternatives. My point was to give them the same incoming problem, not dictate their solution. Otherwise the cheaper proposal may simply omit the awkward stock.

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Simon_Briggs
Replying to Simon_Briggs

Did anyone price the tray-only option?

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NoraBennett0757
Replying to Simon_Briggs

Yes, Simon. A replacement tray helps manual sorting but the extra transfer still costs time. We're trialling a small set for that benefit alone, separate from the arm shortlist.

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RobinBrooks0860
Replying to NoraBennett0757

Useful even if the robot gets none of the credit.

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NoraBennett0757
Replying to GabrielBrown0888

Supplier comparison is clearer now: one offer includes new presentation trays and our transfer labour, the other includes handling from the accepted returning trays with a slower proposed cycle. Neither has demonstrated the full range yet.

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LuisBell0695
Replying to NoraBennett0757

Before selecting, include who maintains each presentation method and who helps when it fails. The slower arrangement may still be preferable, but an optimistic support assumption can make that comparison misleading too.

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LiamBarnes0577
Replying to NoraBennett0757

Are both layouts preserving the receiving operator's working space with those extra trays present?

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NoraBennett0757
Replying to LiamBarnes0577

Not settled, Liam; the new-tray option needs another staging position, and our operator has rejected the first proposed location because it blocks her normal return route.

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