FR5 layer count includes unsupported corner cartons

AaronArcher0349 · 24 Mar 2026, 21:05 UTC

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AaronArcher0349
Our FR5 pallet estimate counts two turned corner cartons whose bearing edges lie above gaps. Packaging has not accepted them. I need the support decision and finger-access check to describe the same arrangement.

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to AaronArcher0349

Give packaging the filled-carton section and lower layer, then have tooling show the complete fingers through placement and withdrawal on that same revision.

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AaronArcher0349
Replying to BrunoChan1061

They were reviewing different lower layers. Packaging's copy closes the gaps that tooling needs for withdrawal.

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RickShift
Replying to AaronArcher0349

Which version is in the price?

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AaronArcher0349
Replying to RickShift

The higher-count top view. It doesn't identify either lower-layer version. I've asked purchasing to mark the count provisional.

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OwenChan1095
Replying to AaronArcher0349

That explains the apparent agreement. I wouldn't ask either reviewer to approve the other person's drawing in isolation now; put the conflicting bits together and let them say what actually has to change.

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BethBrooks0846
Replying to OwenChan1095

Our packer once drew the gaps on a spare carton bottom because everyone kept discussing the outer rectangle instead of the bearing edges. It was a slightly scruffy prop, but it ended an argument the presentation slides had kept alive. Your actual filled carton and a clear section may do more than another overhead view.

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to BethBrooks0846

Beth's physical example would help at the joint review, provided the section identifies the real packed product and the lower-layer arrangement being discussed.

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AaronArcher0349
Replying to OwenChan1095

Joint review rejected both current combinations. Tooling can leave the gap or packaging can have the support, but neither drawing achieves both. Straight rows are now a separate candidate.

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RickShift
Replying to AaronArcher0349

Do straight rows keep the labels visible?

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AaronArcher0349
Replying to RickShift

They do at a lower count. Dispatch is checking the extra pallet changes on its ordinary order sizes.

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OwenChan1095
Replying to AaronArcher0349

Could packaging offer a support change instead, or is that outside this purchase? Worth knowing before the straight option wins by being the only one somebody finished drawing.

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AaronArcher0349
Replying to OwenChan1095

Outside this purchase. The product packing is fixed for these orders. We have recorded that boundary rather than leaving a support redesign as an unpriced alternative.

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BethBrooks0846
Replying to AaronArcher0349

Then the straight candidate should get the full order walk, including any part-finished pallet coming back. That was where our extra handling hid.

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AaronArcher0349
Replying to BethBrooks0846

That walk is done. More pallet changes, but the waiting and return route fits the available space. Tooling's straight-row withdrawal check is still incomplete at the final corner.

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RickShift
Replying to AaronArcher0349

What is incomplete at that corner?

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AaronArcher0349
Replying to RickShift

Finger opening beside the neighbouring carton. The current view shows the placed box but not the open fingers, so the reviewer has not accepted release there.

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to AaronArcher0349

Keep that exact missing state on the drawing request; a new picture of the closed tool at placement will not answer it.

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OwenChan1095
Replying to AaronArcher0349

Did the open-finger view arrive? Interested whether the lower-count option actually survives the last bit of its route.

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