The scratch labels look less certain than the images suggest

CarlaBarnes0575 · 9 Jul 2026, 12:52 UTC

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CarlaBarnes0575
Our planned presenting reflective components for surface inspection in a robot-presented camera station has Fairino FR5 presenting a reflective aluminium bezel to a fixed camera. The example images contain bright streaks that shift with small presentation differences, yet those streaks are being labelled as scratches. Before commissioning, I'd like to establish reliable references and image conditions for threshold tuning

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FarahAli0243
Replying to CarlaBarnes0575

@CarlaBarnes0575 Check whether the suspected scratches were confirmed on physical samples under the agreed appearance procedure. Link each image to its sample identity and inspection result first.

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CarlaBarnes0575
Replying to FarahAli0243

Some labels came from the pictures alone. We still have the samples, but those labels aren't tied to physical inspection results. That's irritatingly circular

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FarahAli0243
Replying to CarlaBarnes0575

@CarlaBarnes0575 Keep the image-only labels uncertain pending physical inspection. A controlled comparison of lighting and presentation can then investigate whether the moving streaks indicate reflection effects.

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ReeceChan1080
Replying to FarahAli0243

A scratch's visibility can change with presentation too. Don't let 'moving streak' quietly become the rule for relabelling something acceptable.

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FarahAli0243
Replying to ReeceChan1080

Correct. I meant a reason to investigate the imaging, not a new defect label. Physical acceptance stays with the agreed inspection method.

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CalebChen1189
Replying to FarahAli0243

So uncertain isn't the same as good? Where do those images go?

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FarahAli0243
Replying to CalebChen1189

Retain their sample identities and undecided status. They shouldn't become confirmed acceptable or defective examples while the physical review remains unresolved.

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CarlaBarnes0575
Replying to FarahAli0243

@FarahAli0243 Our two comparison folders changed exposure and presentation together. I can't tell which change made the images look better. That comparison needs a caveat too

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NinaBennett0762
Replying to CarlaBarnes0575

On my inspection setup, a folder called 'better lighting' also contained easier samples. The folder name was doing a lot of unearned work.

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CarlaBarnes0575
Replying to NinaBennett0762

What did you keep beside each image? I can manage sample ID and settings, but I don't want a form nobody fills in

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NinaBennett0762
Replying to CarlaBarnes0575

On my setup we kept sample ID, exposure, lighting arrangement and presentation condition. Enough to explain a comparison without reconstructing the whole session from memory.

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FarahAli0243
Replying to NinaBennett0762

Those records can support the vision specialist's comparison of image conditions. Holding the representative sample set constant will make an acquisition change easier to assess.

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CalebChen1189
Replying to FarahAli0243

Would a learned model just cope with the lighting differences?

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FarahAli0243
Replying to CalebChen1189

It still needs trustworthy labels and representative evaluation. A different model doesn't establish whether your reference scratches are real or your acquisition comparison is fair.

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ReeceChan1080
Replying to FarahAli0243

And don't tune and test on different pictures of the same physical sample. That isn't the independence the result would suggest.

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CarlaBarnes0575
Replying to ReeceChan1080

I'll keep all images of one sample together when we split tuning and evaluation sets. Our file names alone wouldn't have caught that overlap

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CarlaBarnes0575
Replying to CarlaBarnes0575

The reference problem is clearer, but I still can't judge inspection performance from our example images. The physical labels and image comparisons need more work

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FarahAli0243
Replying to CarlaBarnes0575

The remaining physical-label and comparison work explains the open judgement. Clearer uncertainty doesn't yet establish inspection performance.

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