Can the wrong insert fully seat and clamp, or does it only look as though it will? I'd get tooling to check both cases before writing a confirmation box that asks an operator to promise the impossible.
the insert label faces down when it's fitted
JuliaBaker0500 · 20 Aug 2025, 14:06 UTC
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Wrong family insert does seat. Reversed one sits proud but the clamp can still be closed. Tooling checked with us, no robot run.
8 pointsThen you've got two faults to deal with: wrong identity and wrong seating. A readable label helps identity; it won't stop the clamp making a backwards insert look finished.
15 pointsTooling is proposing an asymmetric locating feature. Controls wants a recipe check against an insert ID. Neither is implemented yet.
17 pointsKeep the ID visible after fitting as well. I've seen beautifully legible labels become invisible at exactly the moment someone needed to check them. Your training sheet can then show the view the operator actually gets.
24 pointsWill that ID distinguish the two families, or just say an insert is present?
12 pointsFamily identity is the proposal, Oscar. A separate seating check still needs deciding.
15 pointsHave you included the right family with an older insert revision in the discussion? I ask because a family match could still leave the wrong pocket geometry if the design has changed.
14 pointsAlso try choosing the recipe first and changing the insert afterward. That catches a check which only ran when the screen was opened, not when the hardware changed.
14 pointsPriya, yes, and don't make the operator navigate away and back just to persuade the screen to notice. That is the sort of extra ritual that gets taught as normal.
9 pointsMina, there is an older cover insert in stores with the same family marking. Tooling has put it in the comparison. Priya, changing the insert after recipe selection is now a test case.
7 pointsGood to have found it while the checks are still being designed. Will stores retain a clear list of which revisions are allowed with each recipe? Otherwise the next spare issue may reopen the same problem.
16 pointsStores and controls are building that list together. The new locating feature stops reversed seating in the bench sample, but the family and revision checks still need testing.
17 pointsFelix, we've moved the proposed ID location to a visible outer face. Thanks for pushing that; my first drawing still hid half of it behind the clamp.
0 pointsTry the actual changeover with whoever does it on the other shift once the checks are ready. Especially the old-revision case. Easy to get a perfect result when everyone in the room already knows which insert is wrong.
20 pointsDiscussion closed
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