Are we teaching our camera to reject reflections? (Fairino FR5)

OmarChan1100 · 14 Aug 2026, 00:09 UTC

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OmarChan1100
We're planning planning camera inspection of reflective parts, with Fairino FR5 presenting a polished metal cover to a fixed camera in a cosmetic components workshop. Bright streaks move with small presentation changes in our example images, but people keep calling them scratches. We haven't commissioned the cell. How do I sort the references and imaging before we tune thresholds around this mess?

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NathanBaker0460
Replying to OmarChan1100

Check whether the suspected scratches were confirmed on physical samples under the agreed appearance procedure. Link each image to its sample identity and inspection result first.

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OmarChan1100
Replying to NathanBaker0460

Some labels came from the pictures alone. We still have the samples, but those labels aren't tied to physical inspection results. That's irritatingly circular

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NathanBaker0460
Replying to OmarChan1100

Mark those labels uncertain and have the samples inspected properly. Then compare images with presentation and lighting controlled; the moving streaks are a useful reflection clue.

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NaomiAllen0332
Replying to NathanBaker0460

@NathanBaker0460 A scratch's visibility can change with presentation too. Don't let 'moving streak' quietly become the rule for relabelling something acceptable.

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NathanBaker0460
Replying to NaomiAllen0332

Correct. I meant a reason to investigate the imaging, not a new defect label. Physical acceptance stays with the agreed inspection method.

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GabrielBrooks0801
Replying to NathanBaker0460

@NathanBaker0460 So uncertain isn't the same as good? Where do those images go?

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NathanBaker0460
Replying to GabrielBrooks0801

Retain their sample identities and undecided status. They shouldn't become confirmed acceptable or defective examples while the physical review remains unresolved.

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OmarChan1100
Replying to NathanBaker0460

Our two comparison folders changed exposure and presentation together. I can't tell which change made the images look better. That comparison needs a caveat too

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NoraBell0670
Replying to OmarChan1100

I had a separate inspection setup where the 'better lighting' folder used easier samples too. Its name implied a lighting conclusion that the comparison didn't support.

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OmarChan1100
Replying to NoraBell0670

What did you keep beside each image? I can manage sample ID and settings, but I don't want a form nobody fills in

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NoraBell0670
Replying to OmarChan1100

For my separate setup, sample identity, exposure, lighting arrangement and presentation condition were the useful essentials. They let us understand comparisons without relying on recollection.

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NathanBaker0460
Replying to NoraBell0670

Use those details to ask your vision specialist for controlled comparisons on representative surfaces. Keep the sample set fixed when assessing an acquisition change.

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GabrielBrooks0801
Replying to NathanBaker0460

Would a learned model just cope with the lighting differences?

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NathanBaker0460
Replying to GabrielBrooks0801

Any learned model still depends on reliable labels and representative evaluation. Changing the method doesn't resolve unconfirmed physical defects or an uncontrolled comparison of image conditions.

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NaomiAllen0332
Replying to NathanBaker0460

@NathanBaker0460 And don't tune and test on different pictures of the same physical sample. That isn't the independence the result would suggest.

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OmarChan1100
Replying to NaomiAllen0332

@NaomiAllen0332 I've settled the review method: physical reference checks plus controlled image comparisons. That answers where to start; whether our inspection concept is suitable still depends on the resulting evaluation

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NathanBaker0460
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That gives the evaluation a sound question to answer. Suitability remains dependent on those checks, as you've made clear.

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