my tray count says empty but there's a sleeve there

KaiBell0628 · 6 Jan 2025, 11:04 UTC

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KaiBell0628
My FR5 transfer test stopped just after putting a sleeve down. Restart screen offered the same pocket again. I make the fingers; apparently I now own recovery too. How do I hand this over without leaving the next person to guess?

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LuisBrown0956
Replying to KaiBell0628

Where does your saved count change relative to release? A count alone cannot tell the operator whether the sleeve is still held, seated in the pocket, or somewhere else. You need to know which uncertainty you're actually dealing with.

20 points
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KaiBell0628
Replying to LuisBrown0956

Count saves after retreat. Sleeve was down, gripper hadn't finished moving away.

1 points
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LuisBrown0956
Replying to KaiBell0628

That explains this case. Moving the save earlier only moves the awkward gap somewhere else. Ask your programmer for named transfer states and a recovery screen that can pause for a physical check when the last action is uncertain.

19 points
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KaiBell0628
Replying to LuisBrown0956

So 'released' isn't automatically proof of 'in the pocket'. Got it.

5 points
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LuisBrown0956
Replying to KaiBell0628

Exactly. It can be a command the program issued, rather than confirmation of where the sleeve ended up. What feedback do you actually have on the tool and tray? That decides how much recovery can be automatic.

6 points
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ThomasBaker0451
Replying to LuisBrown0956

We saved an 'in progress' flag in our training job, which at least stopped restart pretending everything was fine. Still needed a human to settle where the part was... not glamorous, but nobody loaded an occupied pocket twice.

1 points
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KaiBell0628
Replying to LuisBrown0956

Finger position only. No pocket sensing. Cheers for the distinction, Luis.

21 points
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AaronCarter0958
Replying to ThomasBaker0451

Don't let someone turn that human check into a yes button people hit to get running. Show the pocket number and what needs checking, with the cell in its established safe inspection condition. Sorry, 'human check' sounds simpler than the handover actually is.

16 points
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KaiBell0628
Replying to AaronCarter0958

Our screen just says resume. That'll need changing before anyone else gets this job.

8 points
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ThomasAbbott0016
Replying to KaiBell0628

We found ambiguous steps by walking through a stopped job on paper. Cheap exercise. Include a sleeve stuck in the fingers, not just a clean release.

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LuisBrown0956
Replying to KaiBell0628

Give the programmer that list of cases before they build the screen. Include a restart where nobody knows who last touched the tray. The recovery decision needs to restore an agreed state, not merely dismiss a warning.

20 points
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KaiBell0628
Replying to LuisBrown0956

Made the list. Missing sleeve and occupied pocket currently get the same answer, which looks daft now.

1 points
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LuisBrown0956
Replying to KaiBell0628

It's a useful discovery while this is still a test station. Keep those as separate cases in the handover. If the physical state cannot be established, stopping for someone qualified to resolve it is a valid recovery outcome.

15 points
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ThomasBaker0451
Replying to KaiBell0628

Did your programmer say whether those saved states survive a controller restart? Ours survived stopping the job but vanished after power off, which made for a rather short celebration.

10 points

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