The locator helped until we exchanged the puck tray

JordanBailey · 18 Aug 2025, 07:45 UTC

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JordanBailey
I posted a pleased note internally after our FR10 puck trial ran more consistently with a tray locator. Then we exchanged trays and the next pickup was off. Looking back at the trial sheet, all the successful repeats used one tray without taking it out. I'd like to correct the update without throwing away the useful result or implying we tested changeover when we didn't.

19 replies

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FelixAdams0110
Replying to JordanBailey

Say exactly that: the repeats used one seated tray, and the exchange is still a problem. You don't have to turn a promising trial into a failure announcement just because the first sentence got ahead of the test

21 points
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JordanBailey
Replying to FelixAdams0110

I've changed it to improvement on the original tray, exchange not yet repeatable. The second tray looks the same from above but I haven't compared the locating edges closely.

20 points
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HarishAllen0315
Replying to JordanBailey

Were the successful repeats new trays of pucks, or repeated picks from the same loaded arrangement? That changes how much input variation the trial actually covered.

13 points
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JordanBailey
Replying to HarishAllen0315

Same tray, replenished by hand. Pucks came from one sample batch. I have added both details. The first update only said repeated successful cycles, which was rather generous shorthand.

25 points
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GabrielChen1149
Replying to JordanBailey

Could the tray be located on a different edge after the exchange, before you spend time measuring all its pockets?

5 points
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FelixAdams0110
Replying to GabrielChen1149

I'd look at that cheap check too, with the setup isolated for the tooling inspection; a tray can seem located while the wrong feature has parked against your new stop

18 points
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SamBarnes0594
Replying to GabrielChen1149

Is the intended loading orientation shown anywhere the person exchanging the tray can see it?

-5 points
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JordanBailey
Replying to SamBarnes0594

Not yet, Sam. The locator drawing assumes the long plain edge faces it. On the second tray a folded lip occupies that side. Tooling has both trays for comparison.

7 points
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HarishAllen0315
Replying to JordanBailey

Does that second tray have a different revision, or is the lip an unrecorded alteration to the same design?

10 points
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JordanBailey
Replying to HarishAllen0315

Different supplier drawing, though our stores description groups them together. Neither is damaged. I hadn't realised we had two designs in circulation.

17 points
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FelixAdams0110
Replying to JordanBailey

Then please don't solve the update by calling the second tray a bad tray. It may be perfectly decent at its old job and unsuitable for your particular locator

8 points
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GabrielChen1149
Replying to JordanBailey

Are both designs needed here, Jordan, or could you keep one in this cell while the other stays with its existing work?

17 points
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JordanBailey
Replying to GabrielChen1149

Production would prefer one design here. Tooling is checking the plain-edge tray and locator as a defined combination, while stores separates the descriptions. Nothing says the lip tray is scrap.

8 points
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SamBarnes0594
Replying to JordanBailey

Will that defined combination include a practical orientation check for the person replenishing it?

5 points
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JordanBailey
Replying to SamBarnes0594

Yes, Sam, tooling has added the locating-edge view. The agreed repeat trial will include removing and replacing the specified tray and different accepted pucks, not just leaving it seated.

16 points
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FelixAdams0110
Replying to JordanBailey

That sounds like a useful next test. Leave your earlier result visible too, with the limits you added; otherwise the next person only sees that you changed your mind and misses why

10 points
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HarishAllen0315
Replying to JordanBailey

Have you run that exchange trial or only agreed its contents?

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JordanBailey
Replying to HarishAllen0315

Only agreed it, Harish. The revised update says trial planned. Thanks, Felix, for the reporting advice. I kept the original observation and put the tray limitation directly beside it.

13 points
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GabrielChen1149
Replying to JordanBailey

Please post what happens with the actual exchanges, that was the missing bit I wanted to understand.

4 points

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