Saved FR5 job starts easily, recovery still calls me back

WendyCampbell · 16 Jun 2026, 14:48 UTC

Reply to discussion
WE
WendyCampbell
I handed over our spacer-loading job and the operators can start it, but an empty pocket or interrupted run brings them straight back to me. Looking at my handover, I taught the happy sequence and left out the decisions. What should I add before blaming anyone's confidence?

18 replies

YA
YasminBell0615
Replying to WendyCampbell

What do you tell them when the pocket is empty? Start with your actual decision.

9points
WE
WendyCampbell
Replying to YasminBell0615

I check where the spacer is, which step stopped and whether the saved position can still be trusted. None of that is in the sheet. It just says call me for a problem.

16points
DI
DineshBrooks0821
Replying to WendyCampbell

Then capture the information that supports that judgement and distinguish cases they may handle under an approved method from cases needing review. The handover should not turn your undocumented judgement into an instruction to guess where the spacer went.

15points
CA
CallumBennett0708
Replying to WendyCampbell

Don't make empty pocket mean skip it automatically, because that pocket could be empty after a pickup while the spacer is somewhere you haven't accounted for

11points
LU
LucaAllen0265
Replying to CallumBennett0708

I'd include the interrupted state separately from an observed empty source pocket before a request. They can look similar at the tray, but the evidence about a held or placed spacer may be quite different.

24points
YA
YasminBell0615
Replying to LucaAllen0265

Luca, would you give those different screen messages, or one explanation with the unknowns listed?

20points
LU
LucaAllen0265
Replying to YasminBell0615

Depends on what the system can establish. I'd rather a plain uncertainty message with the relevant job and locations than a precise-sounding diagnosis inferred from one empty pocket. The approved next action needs to match that uncertainty too.

2points
WE
WendyCampbell
Replying to LucaAllen0265

We have a draft with separate observed-empty and interrupted-uncertain cases now. The latter does not offer resume from the saved pocket. Controls still needs to review what the screen can reliably establish.

21points
DI
DineshBrooks0821
Replying to WendyCampbell

Who covers review when you are absent? A better explanation can still end at the same unavailable person, which would leave the support arrangement unchanged.

5points
CA
CallumBennett0708
Replying to DineshBrooks0821

And give that person the actual job and fixture identity, not a message saying Wendy's spacer problem

17points
YA
YasminBell0615
Replying to CallumBennett0708

That would be a memorable label and a terrible handover.

14points
WE
WendyCampbell
Replying to DineshBrooks0821

Maintenance lead will own the uncertain-state review, with shift cover named. Thanks Dinesh, I had improved the decision text without changing the part where everything still depended on me.

20points
LU
LucaAllen0265
Replying to WendyCampbell

Will an intended operator read the draft without you explaining it first? Interested in what they think the uncertainty message permits, rather than whether they say it looks clear.

10points
DI
DineshBrooks0821
Replying to LucaAllen0265

Include break cover in that reading too, Wendy. A regular operator may supply missing context from experience that the person covering lunch does not have.

14points
WE
WendyCampbell
Replying to DineshBrooks0821

Our draft review exposed exactly that: one cover operator read held for review as waiting to resume automatically. We are changing the wording and keeping the unresolved physical state explicit.

22points
CA
CallumBennett0708
Replying to WendyCampbell

Make the actual behaviour agree with the words before handover, because a clearer warning isn't enough if reopening still offers the old saved position as a restart point

11points
YA
YasminBell0615
Replying to CallumBennett0708

Has controls checked reopening as well as the interruption screen itself?

9points
WE
WendyCampbell
Replying to YasminBell0615

Not yet. That is now an explicit review case, alongside the revised text and shift escalation. I have not called the handover complete or authorised independent recovery from these drafts.

6points

Add to the discussion

Welcome to Application Robot

Everyone can read the forum. Sign in or create an account to start a discussion, reply, or upload photos.

Forgot your password?

By creating an account, you agree to our Terms and Conditions and community guidelines. Read our Privacy Policy for how your information is handled.