Steel sensor brackets sit differently in one tidy-looking FR10 nest

OscarAbbott0010 · 18 Jun 2026, 22:35 UTC

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OscarAbbott0010
Our proposed FR10 inspection nest touches several faces of a steel sensor bracket. Bench samples do not all settle the same way. Someone wants more clamp force. I want to understand the locating contacts first, because holding the bracket harder won't tell me why it sits differently.

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SarahBrown0937
Replying to OscarAbbott0010

I would start with the intended datum scheme and ask the fixture designer which contacts locate the part and which merely support it.

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OscarAbbott0010
Replying to SarahBrown0937

The drawing marks three base pads and two side contacts. A raised end block touches another face, but its purpose isn't stated. That's the one that makes me suspicious.

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OwenChen1182
Replying to OscarAbbott0010

Suspicion is fair, verdict isn't. Are the brackets themselves within drawing requirements at those contact features? My own loading study has part variation tangled up with seating.

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KaiBaker0454
Replying to OscarAbbott0010

Don't approve a stronger clamp from a tidy CAD view. It might just force the bracket against competing contacts and give inspection a different shape to measure. Find the intended load path first.

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ElliotAllen0335
Replying to OwenChen1182

Retain the awkward samples with identities; a replacement handful can make this problem vanish on paper.

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OscarAbbott0010
Replying to ElliotAllen0335

Owen, those features haven't been checked yet. Elliot, I've kept the samples separate and numbered. Nothing has been altered on the bench nest, so the designer can see the arrangement that produced the seating difference.

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OwenChen1182
Replying to OscarAbbott0010

Good. Does one bracket repeat its own seating, or does the same bracket vary between placements? Those lead me to different questions

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SarahBrown0937
Replying to OwenChen1182

Owen, I would want that comparison too, with the seating method recorded rather than an instruction to push until it feels right.

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KaiBaker0454
Replying to SarahBrown0937

Sarah, yes. We had an inspection fixture that relied on one person's thumb. Replacing that thumb with a clamp was not automatically the same measurement condition.

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OscarAbbott0010
Replying to OwenChen1182

I don't have a repeat-placement record yet. The difference was between samples laid in by hand. I'll ask quality and the designer to define that check instead of treating my first observation as a repeatability result.

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ElliotAllen0335
Replying to OscarAbbott0010

Add cleanliness and obvious burr checks to the observation. Record findings before cleaning changes the evidence.

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OwenChen1182
Replying to ElliotAllen0335

Elliot, yes, but don't make every troublesome contact a burr by default. Oscar still needs the feature measurements and the purpose of that end block

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ElliotAllen0335
Replying to OwenChen1182

Agreed. Cheap check, not a diagnosis.

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OscarAbbott0010
Replying to OscarAbbott0010

Designer has explained the end block as a loading guide, not a datum. Its current clearance has not been demonstrated across our bracket variation. That is a more specific question than add clamp force.

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KaiBaker0454
Replying to OscarAbbott0010

Then ask them to show how the guide stops participating once the bracket is seated. Calling it a guide doesn't stop it being an accidental locator.

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SarahBrown0937
Replying to KaiBaker0454

And retain its loading purpose in any revision; simply removing a troublesome feature could leave the operator without the guidance the fixture was intended to provide.

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OwenChen1182
Replying to OscarAbbott0010

Oscar, do quality and the designer agree which sample variation the clearance must accommodate, including acceptable limits rather than just today's handful?

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OscarAbbott0010
Replying to OwenChen1182

They have the drawing limits and retained samples for that discussion. No agreed clearance yet. I haven't told purchasing that the guide is being removed or that a new clamp is needed.

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KaiBaker0454
Replying to OscarAbbott0010

Purchasing can wait for a defined revision. Buying the larger clamp now would turn a question about seating into an argument about why the new clamp must be used.

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OscarAbbott0010
Replying to OscarAbbott0010

Thanks Sarah for preserving the loading-guide purpose, and Owen for separating sample variation from repeat placement. Both are in the review request. Tooling approval stays open until the proposed locating scheme is demonstrated.

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