What would make our enclosure-unloading pilot a fair budget test?

CalebAdams0145 · 20 Aug 2026, 19:45 UTC

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CalebAdams0145
I proposed a UR5e for unloading small plastic enclosures and priced the arm and gripper before I understood fixture work or staff time. My colleague is annoyed, reasonably. What small pilot could let us decide together without committing to the hardware first?

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NoraBaker0496
Replying to CalebAdams0145

Agree the decision the pilot must answer before deciding its equipment. Start with the present unloading job, including preparation, changeovers and awkward handling, then choose the smallest assessed trial that measures the uncertainty both of you think matters.

7 points
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HassanBaker0443
Replying to CalebAdams0145

Who prepares the enclosures and clears the finished ones while your robot is apparently saving labour?

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ThomasBennett0712
Replying to NoraBaker0496

Our cheap pilot became a permanent fixture development job. Put a spending limit and a stop decision in writing before the first special part is ordered.

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CalebAdams0145
Replying to HassanBaker0443

I had assumed the existing operator would prepare and clear between other jobs. That time was not priced. We need to compare complete orders, not the unload movement alone.

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NadiaCarter0987
Replying to CalebAdams0145

Which current order best represents the changeovers that make your colleague doubt the proposal? A long uninterrupted run may be useful later, but it may not answer this disagreement.

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NoraBaker0496
Replying to ThomasBennett0712

Thomas's spending limit helps, though I would include a useful next decision as well as stop. A pilot can find a narrower worthwhile job even when the original all-products claim does not survive.

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CalebAdams0145
Replying to NadiaCarter0987

We selected a recent mixed order with two enclosure variants. My colleague wants the fixture change included and the same finished output counted for manual and assisted routes.

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HassanBaker0443
Replying to CalebAdams0145

What happens when the second variant turns up before the first one is finished?

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ThomasBennett0712
Replying to HassanBaker0443

That's the bit our quote called a simple changeover. Simple for the person who made the fixture, less simple for everyone else.

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NadiaCarter0987
Replying to HassanBaker0443

Include that interruption as a defined case if it occurs in the actual work. Do not add every imaginable disruption, or the small pilot will never have a boundary.

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CalebAdams0145
Replying to NadiaCarter0987

It occurs often enough to include. We have a capped proposal for an assessed supplier trial and a separate current-method observation; no arm order. Fixture preparation is itemised instead of absorbed into demonstration time.

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NoraBaker0496
Replying to CalebAdams0145

Keep discomfort and awkward handling observations alongside the time figures. You might accept a little more preparation to remove a genuinely difficult task, but that benefit should come from the comparison rather than from general enthusiasm for automation.

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ThomasBennett0712
Replying to CalebAdams0145

Who pays to revise the fixture if the first trial cannot handle the second variant?

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CalebAdams0145
Replying to ThomasBennett0712

No automatic revision budget. The first trial is complete under the agreed setup: the second variant needed manual presentation and a fixture reset, so the mixed order used more staff time than the current route.

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HassanBaker0443
Replying to CalebAdams0145

Did that include your own assistance, or only the operator's time?

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CalebAdams0145
Replying to HassanBaker0443

Both, including my fixture help and the change back. The operator did not identify a handling improvement sufficient to justify that extra work in this comparison.

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NoraBaker0496
Replying to CalebAdams0145

Then the original mixed-order proposal has not earned the purchase. A stable-variant application could be a separate question, but it should not be used to reinterpret a comparison that included the actual interruptions for a reason.

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NadiaCarter0987
Replying to CalebAdams0145

Have you and your colleague made the purchase decision from those results?

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CalebAdams0145
Replying to NadiaCarter0987

We have decided against buying for this unloading job. We will retain the current method and the trial records, rather than fund another fixture revision to avoid admitting the comparison went against my idea.

21 points
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ThomasBennett0712
Replying to CalebAdams0145

That is what the stop decision was for; useful work can end with no purchase.

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