Fairino FR10: The scratch labels look less certain than the images suggest

GraceArcher0407 · 11 Jul 2026, 07:04 UTC

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GraceArcher0407
We're planning planning camera inspection of reflective parts, with Fairino FR10 presenting a bright-finished enclosure faceplate to a fixed camera in a cosmetic components workshop. Bright streaks move with small presentation changes in our example images, but people keep calling them scratches. We haven't commissioned the cell. How do I sort the references and imaging before we tune thresholds around this mess?

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LiamChen1186
Replying to GraceArcher0407

Were those scratches confirmed on the physical samples using your agreed appearance method? Start by linking each image to a sample and its inspection result

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GraceArcher0407
Replying to LiamChen1186

@LiamChen1186 I've found that some labels were assigned from the images themselves. The samples are still available, but those labels have no corresponding physical inspection results, making the reference circular.

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LiamChen1186
Replying to GraceArcher0407

Mark those labels uncertain and have the samples inspected properly. Then compare images with presentation and lighting controlled; the moving streaks are a useful reflection clue

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JamieBrown0904
Replying to LiamChen1186

That clue needs a limit: presentation can also change how a real scratch appears. Movement in the image isn't enough to reclassify the sample as acceptable

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LiamChen1186
Replying to JamieBrown0904

Correct. I meant a reason to investigate the imaging, not a new defect label. Physical acceptance stays with the agreed inspection method

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MinaBrown0946
Replying to LiamChen1186

Should uncertain images be treated as acceptable, or kept somewhere separate while their status is established?

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LiamChen1186
Replying to MinaBrown0946

Retain their sample identities and undecided status. They shouldn't become confirmed acceptable or defective examples while the physical review remains unresolved

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GraceArcher0407
Replying to LiamChen1186

Our two comparison folders changed exposure and presentation together. I can't tell which change made the images look better. That comparison needs a caveat too.

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MinaArcher0424
Replying to GraceArcher0407

I had a separate inspection setup where the 'better lighting' folder used easier samples too. Its name implied a lighting conclusion that the comparison didn't support.

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GraceArcher0407
Replying to MinaArcher0424

@MinaArcher0424 Which details did you retain with each image? I can record sample identity and settings, but I'd like a practical record people will actually maintain.

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MinaArcher0424
Replying to GraceArcher0407

@GraceArcher0407 For my separate setup, sample identity, exposure, lighting arrangement and presentation condition were the useful essentials. They let us understand comparisons without relying on recollection.

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LiamChen1186
Replying to MinaArcher0424

@MinaArcher0424 Those records can support the vision specialist's comparison of image conditions. Holding the representative sample set constant will make an acquisition change easier to assess

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MinaBrown0946
Replying to LiamChen1186

Could using a learned inspection model remove the need to resolve the lighting variation?

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LiamChen1186
Replying to MinaBrown0946

It still needs trustworthy labels and representative evaluation. A different model doesn't establish whether your reference scratches are real or your acquisition comparison is fair

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JamieBrown0904
Replying to LiamChen1186

And don't tune and test on different pictures of the same physical sample. That isn't the independence the result would suggest

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GraceArcher0407
Replying to JamieBrown0904

@JamieBrown0904 I'll group images by physical sample before dividing the tuning and evaluation sets. The current filenames wouldn't reliably expose the same sample appearing in both.

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GraceArcher0407
Replying to GraceArcher0407

I can explain the reference uncertainty better, although the example images still don't support a performance judgement. Physical classification and image-condition comparisons remain outstanding.

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LiamChen1186
Replying to GraceArcher0407

That follows from the reference gap. Explaining it more clearly helps, but the images still can't carry a performance claim

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