How should I price a pilot that somebody else must support?

FelixChan1067 · 27 Apr 2025, 21:30 UTC

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FelixChan1067
I've proposed a UR5e fixture-loading pilot for our contract shop. I priced the robot and gripper, then my colleague asked who was making the fixtures and covering the operator while we debug it. I had no useful answer. We both want a small trial, but I want the budget and success criteria to include the work needed to hand it over. What should we settle first?

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JasperArcher0377
Replying to FelixChan1067

Pick one part and one complete loading job. Then list who supplies the fixture, integration, safeguarding and training, including the time your own staff will spend. Otherwise 'small trial' means a small quote with the rest donated by annoyed colleagues.

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FelixChan1067
Replying to JasperArcher0377

One housing family and one fixture is agreed. The toolroom can estimate fixture work, but we had assumed our operator would attend every trial without allowing for cover on his usual job.

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JasperArcher0377
Replying to FelixChan1067

Put that cover in. Also decide what result would make you stop or change course. You don't want every extra week described as nearly there because nobody agreed what the pilot had to show.

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FelixChan1067
Replying to JasperArcher0377

We want repeatable loading, a workable changeover and somebody besides the programmer able to recover the common interruptions. I'm asking the integrator to price that scope, rather than a demonstration cycle only.

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AnikaBell0682
Replying to FelixChan1067

Include time to practise those recoveries. Training isn't just watching the integrator do them.

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JasperArcher0377
Replying to FelixChan1067

Yes, and allow for making the trial suitable to run in your shop. Temporary equipment still needs its risks addressed. That cost often gets discovered embarrassingly late in the word 'pilot'.

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CalebBell0667
Replying to FelixChan1067

Compare against how the job runs today, including interruptions and staff time; the robot's clean cycle alone won't tell you whether the pilot helped.

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JasperArcher0377
Replying to FelixChan1067

How is your colleague feeling about the revised scope? They were right to question the missing labour, and they'll probably spot the next hole before a supplier does.

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FelixChan1067
Replying to JasperArcher0377

Much better. We have a shared cost sheet with owners for the unknowns and a capped investigation stage before ordering hardware. The pilot is still possible, just no longer pretending our staff time is free.

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