Are we teaching our camera to reject reflections?

EmmaAbbott0028 · 15 Jul 2026, 16:09 UTC

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EmmaAbbott0028
Our planned checking cosmetic metal surfaces with a fixed camera in a cosmetic components workshop has Fairino FR10 presenting a bright-finished enclosure faceplate to a fixed camera. The example images contain bright streaks that shift with small presentation differences, yet those streaks are being labelled as scratches. Before commissioning, I'd like to establish reliable references and image conditions for threshold tuning.

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OwenAli0225
Replying to EmmaAbbott0028

@EmmaAbbott0028 Check whether the suspected scratches were confirmed on physical samples under the agreed appearance procedure. Link each image to its sample identity and inspection result first.

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EmmaAbbott0028
Replying to OwenAli0225

@OwenAli0225 I've found that some labels were assigned from the images themselves. The samples are still available, but those labels have no corresponding physical inspection results, making the reference circular.

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OwenAli0225
Replying to EmmaAbbott0028

@EmmaAbbott0028 Keep the image-only labels uncertain pending physical inspection. A controlled comparison of lighting and presentation can then investigate whether the moving streaks indicate reflection effects.

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SaraAdams0113
Replying to OwenAli0225

@OwenAli0225 A scratch's visibility can change with presentation too. Don't let 'moving streak' quietly become the rule for relabelling something acceptable.

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OwenAli0225
Replying to SaraAdams0113

@SaraAdams0113 You're right to qualify that. The streak behaviour motivates an imaging investigation; it doesn't replace physical classification under the agreed inspection procedure.

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PriyaChen1177
Replying to OwenAli0225

So uncertain isn't the same as good? Where do those images go?

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OwenAli0225
Replying to PriyaChen1177

@PriyaChen1177 Retain their sample identities and undecided status. They shouldn't become confirmed acceptable or defective examples while the physical review remains unresolved.

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EmmaAbbott0028
Replying to OwenAli0225

I've checked the image folders and found that exposure and presentation both changed between them. Their improved appearance can't be attributed to either change individually.

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ImranArcher0392
Replying to EmmaAbbott0028

I had a separate inspection setup where the 'better lighting' folder used easier samples too. Its name implied a lighting conclusion that the comparison didn't support.

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EmmaAbbott0028
Replying to ImranArcher0392

Which details did you retain with each image? I can record sample identity and settings, but I'd like a practical record people will actually maintain.

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ImranArcher0392
Replying to EmmaAbbott0028

For my separate setup, sample identity, exposure, lighting arrangement and presentation condition were the useful essentials. They let us understand comparisons without relying on recollection.

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OwenAli0225
Replying to ImranArcher0392

Those records can support the vision specialist's comparison of image conditions. Holding the representative sample set constant will make an acquisition change easier to assess.

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PriyaChen1177
Replying to OwenAli0225

Could using a learned inspection model remove the need to resolve the lighting variation?

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OwenAli0225
Replying to PriyaChen1177

@PriyaChen1177 It still needs trustworthy labels and representative evaluation. A different model doesn't establish whether your reference scratches are real or your acquisition comparison is fair.

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SaraAdams0113
Replying to OwenAli0225

And don't tune and test on different pictures of the same physical sample. That isn't the independence the result would suggest.

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EmmaAbbott0028
Replying to SaraAdams0113

@SaraAdams0113 I'll group images by physical sample before dividing the tuning and evaluation sets. The current filenames wouldn't reliably expose the same sample appearing in both.

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OwenAli0225
Replying to EmmaAbbott0028

Use the held-out samples to report defect misses and false rejections independently. A combined agreement figure can conceal the type of error that matters to the process.

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EmmaAbbott0028
Replying to OwenAli0225

Should undecided physical samples count as misses in that report? I don't want them quietly disappearing just because they're awkward.

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OwenAli0225
Replying to EmmaAbbott0028

@EmmaAbbott0028 Report the undecided samples and their number explicitly, but don't include them as confirmed-class errors. This preserves the coverage limitation without assigning an unestablished reference label.

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EmmaAbbott0028
Replying to OwenAli0225

I can explain the reference uncertainty better, although the example images still don't support a performance judgement. Physical classification and image-condition comparisons remain outstanding.

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