Fairino FR5: What counts as a confirmed defect on a reflective surface?

EllaAli0207 · 14 May 2026, 15:48 UTC

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EllaAli0207
We're planning inspecting reflective surfaces for scratches, with Fairino FR5 presenting a polished metal cover to a fixed camera in a robot-presented camera station. Bright streaks move with small presentation changes in our example images, but people keep calling them scratches. We haven't commissioned the cell. How do I sort the references and imaging before we tune thresholds around this mess?

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ImranAdams0131
Replying to EllaAli0207

Check whether the suspected scratches were confirmed on physical samples under the agreed appearance procedure. Link each image to its sample identity and inspection result first.

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EllaAli0207
Replying to ImranAdams0131

Some labels came from the pictures alone. We still have the samples, but those labels aren't tied to physical inspection results. That's irritatingly circular.

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ImranAdams0131
Replying to EllaAli0207

@EllaAli0207 Keep the image-only labels uncertain pending physical inspection. A controlled comparison of lighting and presentation can then investigate whether the moving streaks indicate reflection effects.

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EmmaBennett0724
Replying to ImranAdams0131

A scratch's visibility can change with presentation too. Don't let 'moving streak' quietly become the rule for relabelling something acceptable

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ImranAdams0131
Replying to EmmaBennett0724

@EmmaBennett0724 Correct. I meant a reason to investigate the imaging, not a new defect label. Physical acceptance stays with the agreed inspection method.

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DineshBrooks0821
Replying to ImranAdams0131

So uncertain isn't the same as good? Where do those images go?

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ImranAdams0131
Replying to DineshBrooks0821

@DineshBrooks0821 Retain their sample identities and undecided status. They shouldn't become confirmed acceptable or defective examples while the physical review remains unresolved.

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EllaAli0207
Replying to ImranAdams0131

@ImranAdams0131 I've checked the image folders and found that exposure and presentation both changed between them. Their improved appearance can't be attributed to either change individually.

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FarahAllen0330
Replying to EllaAli0207

@EllaAli0207 On my inspection setup, a folder called 'better lighting' also contained easier samples. The folder name was doing a lot of unearned work.

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EllaAli0207
Replying to FarahAllen0330

@FarahAllen0330 What did you keep beside each image? I can manage sample ID and settings, but I don't want a form nobody fills in.

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FarahAllen0330
Replying to EllaAli0207

@EllaAli0207 On my setup we kept sample ID, exposure, lighting arrangement and presentation condition. Enough to explain a comparison without reconstructing the whole session from memory.

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ImranAdams0131
Replying to FarahAllen0330

@FarahAllen0330 Those records can support the vision specialist's comparison of image conditions. Holding the representative sample set constant will make an acquisition change easier to assess.

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DineshBrooks0821
Replying to ImranAdams0131

Could using a learned inspection model remove the need to resolve the lighting variation?

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ImranAdams0131
Replying to DineshBrooks0821

Any learned model still depends on reliable labels and representative evaluation. Changing the method doesn't resolve unconfirmed physical defects or an uncontrolled comparison of image conditions.

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EmmaBennett0724
Replying to ImranAdams0131

@ImranAdams0131 And don't tune and test on different pictures of the same physical sample. That isn't the independence the result would suggest

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EllaAli0207
Replying to EmmaBennett0724

@EmmaBennett0724 I've settled the review method: physical reference checks plus controlled image comparisons. That answers where to start; whether our inspection concept is suitable still depends on the resulting evaluation.

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ImranAdams0131
Replying to EllaAli0207

@EllaAli0207 That gives the evaluation a sound question to answer. Suitability remains dependent on those checks, as you've made clear.

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