My FR5 packing trial has more guides than repeat orders

NathanAllen0286 · 4 Dec 2025, 06:35 UTC

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NathanAllen0286
I've started counting my setup hours instead of calling them spare time, and this packing trial looks rather different now. The FR5 places our little hardware bags neatly once I've prepared them. Then the next order arrives with a different bag seam or loose contents and I make another guide. One bag family repeats often enough that I still think there might be something worth keeping. My colleague says I'm protecting the machine from the actual work. How would you decide whether to keep that narrow case, pause the trial or stop altogether?

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HazelBell0658
Replying to NathanAllen0286

Price the narrow case on its own, including preparation, changeover and who maintains its guide; the other families shouldn't become free development work hiding behind its successful placements

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EmmaCarter0985
Replying to NathanAllen0286

Does the repeating family keep the same bag construction across orders, or only the same product name? That would affect how narrow the supposedly stable case really is.

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JonasAli0198
Replying to NathanAllen0286

Try having somebody else prepare a normal order. Not a demonstration bag you've straightened for them. If you still need to stand there explaining each one, that is part of the process you are evaluating.

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NathanAllen0286
Replying to EmmaCarter0985

Emma, same construction on the recent orders, but no promise it stays that way. Jonas, my colleague can prepare them from our current instructions. He is slower than me, which I've been unfairly treating as his problem

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HazelBell0658
Replying to NathanAllen0286

His time belongs in the comparison too, then; a process that only looks worthwhile at its inventor's pace may be awkward to hand over

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CallumChan1056
Replying to NathanAllen0286

I would not kill the repeating family because the rest are poor candidates. On a fixture project we kept one reliable task and stopped trying to make it universal. The important bit was that the retained task justified its own setup and storage.

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JonasAli0198
Replying to CallumChan1056

Callum, did that retained task have dedicated space? Nathan's narrow winner might still occupy the bench needed for the rest of his orders.

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CallumChan1056
Replying to JonasAli0198

Shared space, with removal and reinstatement counted. If those had swallowed the benefit, we would have stopped it too. Keeping one task was a result of the comparison, not a rule that every project deserves a survivor.

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NathanAllen0286
Replying to CallumChan1056

Ours shares the packing bench. I had counted fitting the guide, not getting the previous job out of the way or putting everything back. That's going into both methods now, before I claim the repeat family pays for itself

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EmmaCarter0985
Replying to NathanAllen0286

Who would maintain the guide and instructions if that family survives? Your colleague being able to prepare an order does not yet answer who handles the next damaged or changed guide.

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HazelBell0658
Replying to NathanAllen0286

I'd stop designing for new bag families while you answer that, Nathan, otherwise the comparison keeps chasing a moving pile of extra work

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JonasAli0198
Replying to HazelBell0658

Yes. Freeze the question, not the awkward evidence.

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NathanAllen0286
Replying to EmmaCarter0985

New guides are paused. Toolroom can own the retained design, but wants a controlled drawing and replacement plan. Those are additional costs, not favours I've already been promised

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CallumChan1056
Replying to NathanAllen0286

That makes the choice less romantic. I'd compare finishing that handover against stopping now, with the past development cost shown but not used as a reason to buy the next piece of work.

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EmmaCarter0985
Replying to NathanAllen0286

Have you kept your colleague's manual method unchanged for the comparison, or has he also found improvements while you're working through this?

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NathanAllen0286
Replying to EmmaCarter0985

He moved the bag supply and labels closer and cut some handling. I was comparing against the old manual timings. So yes, the target moved for a good reason this time

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JonasAli0198
Replying to NathanAllen0286

Use the better manual method. You aren't obliged to preserve an inefficient opponent so the robot can beat it.

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HazelBell0658
Replying to JonasAli0198

And retain that improvement if you stop the robot trial; the work wasn't wasted just because its useful result wasn't another automated step

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NathanAllen0286
Replying to CallumChan1056

The full comparison now favours his revised manual method for our current orders. We've stopped further guide development and kept the bench change. Thank you Callum, testing the narrow case properly let me stop defending it on principle

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CallumChan1056
Replying to NathanAllen0286

Fair result. Is the guide information retained somewhere usable, rather than leaving unidentified bits for stores to puzzle over when the bench is cleared?

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