Why are we counting cartons before checking what supports them?

SamBrooks0855 · 12 Apr 2025, 16:22 UTC

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SamBrooks0855
Our proposed FR10 pallet drawing packs everything neatly, but the carton insert loads two base strips and some rotated positions put those strips over gaps. Can packaging and tooling settle that on a simple model before we commission a full simulation?

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to SamBrooks0855

A section through the loaded strips and the layer below would give them something useful to argue over, especially with the actual pallet boards included.

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SamBrooks0855
Replying to BrunoChan1061

Packaging has that section now. They also want a packed carton, because the insert drawing doesn't show how the contents bear on it. We have samples available.

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to SamBrooks0855

Put the tool in the section too. It still has to let go.

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ChloeBaker0483
Replying to BrunoChan1061

Use the supplied tool shape, including the hose exit. We had a flipped mock-up that only worked with a hose passing through a bracket. Looked excellent without that bit.

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SamBrooks0855
Replying to ChloeBaker0483

Thank you, our model had fingers only. The toolmaker is adding the body and fittings. It already looks tighter at the corner placements.

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AlexAli0211
Replying to SamBrooks0855

We tried straight rows on our pallet sample earlier because they gave the fingers room. Packaging was unhappy with stability, so changing the pattern sent us straight back to another discussion. I'd have both people there when you move the boxes around.

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to SamBrooks0855

Have you asked about the last carton in the layer?

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SamBrooks0855
Replying to BrunoChan1061

That's the tight one. Toolmaker cannot show withdrawal with the current finger shape. Packaging has suggested a different pattern but wants to assess the complete stack before recommending it.

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AaronArcher0349
Replying to SamBrooks0855

Different pallet count. Has planning said whether fewer cartons would still meet the dispatch need? There may be room to simplify this.

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SamBrooks0855
Replying to AaronArcher0349

Not yet. I've asked for that comparison. Everyone had treated the highest count as the target without showing why we needed it.

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AaronArcher0349
Replying to SamBrooks0855

I don't know your transport cost, so fewer might be worse overall. Worth having the actual numbers beside the layout.

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to SamBrooks0855

And the time spent recovering a bad placement belongs in that comparison if the trial finds one.

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SamBrooks0855
Replying to AaronArcher0349

Planning says one lower-count candidate is acceptable for our dispatch runs. We will trial that with packaging and the complete tool shape before discussing the detailed robot sequence.

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ChloeBaker0483
Replying to SamBrooks0855

That's a useful option. Keep the carton revision on the trial sheet; ours changed the finish without changing the outside size.

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SamBrooks0855
Replying to ChloeBaker0483

Done. The samples and pallet variant are identified. The old maximum-count drawing is still in the folder, marked rejected for this tooling arrangement.

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SamBrooks0855
Replying to AlexAli0211

I also asked for sheet and wrapping requirements in the packaging review. We had only discussed the boxes, which left another bit of the final pallet unaccounted for.

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AlexAli0211
Replying to SamBrooks0855

Please post how the trial goes. Our straight-row lesson made me wary of declaring victory just because the fingers finally fit.

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