Does the saved information identify both physical trays, or only a pocket within whichever tray the program currently calls active? That needs settling before the recovery choices can refer to a meaningful location.
The FR5 restart knows a pocket number and forgets which tray
AlexArcher0385 · 6 Feb 2026, 08:17 UTC
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Only the index. Source and destination trays have labels but those aren't stored with the attempt. The draft screen calls the destination next tray, which isn't helping either.
15 pointsAssociate the attempted transfer with source tray and pocket, destination tray and pocket, and a durable attempt reference; the saved next index alone cannot describe a transfer interrupted between those locations.
25 pointsI would welcome actual tray names on that screen. I helped with a test where left meant the designer's left, and I stood on the other side. We were both completely certain about the wrong pocket
20 pointsNames help, Simon, but the recovery also needs to distinguish what is known from what somebody must inspect. A clearly named destination can still contain a spacer whose placement was never recorded.
15 pointsCan the operator see the destination pocket from the normal position, Alex, or is that another assumption in the prompt?
11 pointsNora, not all pockets are visible from there. Farah, yes, I had written confirm placed as though anyone could just glance over. The tray names will be explicit, but that doesn't solve the uncertain placement.
20 pointsWho defines how the operator establishes the physical outcome when it cannot be seen from there? That belongs with the integrator and shift lead, not a software prompt improvising access.
11 pointsOur training cell had 'transfer paused' for both an empty source and an uncertain placement. The operator called for help because the screen hid the difference. I would show those as separate cases before testing whether people understand either one.
17 pointsGeorgia, thanks, that's a useful pair for the paper exercise. Alex, can your draft tell those two apart without the programmer standing beside it?
24 pointsWould recording the existing tray labels be enough for this first model? I wouldn't buy a reader before the team agrees what a tray identity actually controls.
6 pointsAaronBaker, yes, the identification method can be assessed once the required states are clear. Alex should not let a stored label act as confirmation that the same physical tray is still fitted after an interruption.
13 pointsDavid, the current draft can't distinguish them. I've split the paper cases now and sent the hidden-pocket question to the integrator and shift lead. AaronBaker, we're using the existing labels in the offline examples, no reader order.
10 pointsFor the known-empty source case, include how that knowledge was obtained too. I would not want absence in an old file promoted to a fresh observation merely because it has a more helpful label.
6 pointsRetain the unresolved state across a second restart, including an interruption during recovery; otherwise the corrected first startup may still lead back to the ordinary transfer queue later.
9 pointsThe offline model failed exactly that second restart: recovery pending went back into normal pending. Author has separated those states. The physical review decision stays required, with both tray identities retained.
8 pointsDid the revised replay leave the unresolved transfer out of the normal queue, including when the destination tray identity is missing?
19 pointsYes, both replays pass now: second restart retains unresolved, and missing destination identity prevents an ordinary continuation. The physical recovery procedure and operator wording aren't finished. Thanks, Georgia, your empty-source example exposed the screen problem early.
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