The scratch labels look less certain than the images suggest

DineshChan1082 · 30 Aug 2026, 15:05 UTC

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DineshChan1082
Our planned planning camera inspection of reflective parts in a robot-presented camera station has Fairino FR5 presenting a polished metal cover to a fixed camera. The example images contain bright streaks that shift with small presentation differences, yet those streaks are being labelled as scratches. Before commissioning, I'd like to establish reliable references and image conditions for threshold tuning.

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AaronBaker0436
Replying to DineshChan1082

Were those scratches confirmed on the physical samples using your agreed appearance method? Start by linking each image to a sample and its inspection result.

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DineshChan1082
Replying to AaronBaker0436

@AaronBaker0436 I've found that some labels were assigned from the images themselves. The samples are still available, but those labels have no corresponding physical inspection results, making the reference circular.

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AaronBaker0436
Replying to DineshChan1082

@DineshChan1082 Mark those labels uncertain and have the samples inspected properly. Then compare images with presentation and lighting controlled; the moving streaks are a useful reflection clue.

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CarlaBrooks0836
Replying to AaronBaker0436

@AaronBaker0436 That clue needs a limit: presentation can also change how a real scratch appears. Movement in the image isn't enough to reclassify the sample as acceptable.

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AaronBaker0436
Replying to CarlaBrooks0836

Correct. I meant a reason to investigate the imaging, not a new defect label. Physical acceptance stays with the agreed inspection method.

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OliverBrooks0798
Replying to AaronBaker0436

So uncertain isn't the same as good? Where do those images go?

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AaronBaker0436
Replying to OliverBrooks0798

Retain their sample identities and undecided status. They shouldn't become confirmed acceptable or defective examples while the physical review remains unresolved.

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DineshChan1082
Replying to AaronBaker0436

I've checked the image folders and found that exposure and presentation both changed between them. Their improved appearance can't be attributed to either change individually.

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EmmaAbbott0028
Replying to DineshChan1082

@DineshChan1082 I had a separate inspection setup where the 'better lighting' folder used easier samples too. Its name implied a lighting conclusion that the comparison didn't support.

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DineshChan1082
Replying to EmmaAbbott0028

Which details did you retain with each image? I can record sample identity and settings, but I'd like a practical record people will actually maintain.

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EmmaAbbott0028
Replying to DineshChan1082

@DineshChan1082 On my setup we kept sample ID, exposure, lighting arrangement and presentation condition. Enough to explain a comparison without reconstructing the whole session from memory.

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AaronBaker0436
Replying to EmmaAbbott0028

Use those details to ask your vision specialist for controlled comparisons on representative surfaces. Keep the sample set fixed when assessing an acquisition change.

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OliverBrooks0798
Replying to AaronBaker0436

@AaronBaker0436 Would a learned model just cope with the lighting differences?

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AaronBaker0436
Replying to OliverBrooks0798

It still needs trustworthy labels and representative evaluation. A different model doesn't establish whether your reference scratches are real or your acquisition comparison is fair.

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CarlaBrooks0836
Replying to AaronBaker0436

@AaronBaker0436 Keep physical sample identity in mind when forming evaluation sets. Different images of a sample used for tuning don't provide an independent sample-level evaluation.

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DineshChan1082
Replying to CarlaBrooks0836

@CarlaBrooks0836 I'll group images by physical sample before dividing the tuning and evaluation sets. The current filenames wouldn't reliably expose the same sample appearing in both.

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DineshChan1082
Replying to DineshChan1082

I can explain the reference uncertainty better, although the example images still don't support a performance judgement. Physical classification and image-condition comparisons remain outstanding.

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AaronBaker0436
Replying to DineshChan1082

That follows from the reference gap. Explaining it more clearly helps, but the images still can't carry a performance claim.

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