Why did closing the carton gaps remove the gripper's way out?

OwenAllen0312 · 25 May 2025, 16:09 UTC

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OwenAllen0312
We're comparing FR5 tooling for cartons with reinforced end strips. Packaging asked us to close the gaps under the rotated layer. The new pattern supports those strips, but the proposed fingers now have nowhere to open between neighbouring cases. I need both teams to agree on one arrangement instead of improving separate drawings.

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VictorChen1142
Replying to OwenAllen0312

Give both teams the same layer pair and placement order. Include the fingers fully open as well as holding a case. The order may change which neighbouring cases are already there.

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OwenAllen0312
Replying to VictorChen1142

The gripper drawing currently shows only a held case. I've requested the opening envelope and added numbers to the placement order so we can discuss the same position.

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SofiaChen1152
Replying to OwenAllen0312

Which placement loses the opening space?

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OwenAllen0312
Replying to SofiaChen1152

The final case in the second layer. Earlier placements have a free side. The final one ends up enclosed on both finger sides by cases already placed.

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SofiaArcher0369
Replying to OwenAllen0312

Could the final case go in first? Obvious question, but I've watched everyone redesign tooling before anyone tried changing the little arrows.

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EmmaArcher0376
Replying to SofiaArcher0369

Worth drawing, but the new last case still has to go somewhere. I'd trace the whole revised order before declaring the last-placement problem gone.

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VictorChen1142
Replying to OwenAllen0312

There may also be a withdrawal problem even where the fingers can open. Ask for both motions on the drawing, especially beside the completed first row.

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OwenAllen0312
Replying to SofiaArcher0369

Changing the order moves the trapped position to another case. The supplier says they could grip across the other pair of faces, but packaging hasn't assessed those faces for that contact.

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SofiaArcher0369
Replying to OwenAllen0312

There goes my cheap answer.

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SofiaChen1152
Replying to OwenAllen0312

Are those faces different internally? Our cartons looked symmetrical outside but weren't once we looked at the inserts.

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OwenAllen0312
Replying to SofiaChen1152

Yes. The current insert backs one pair of faces and leaves more space behind the other pair. I don't know whether the proposed contact is acceptable there.

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EmmaArcher0376
Replying to OwenAllen0312

Send an opened sample as well as filled ones to that discussion. Otherwise the tool person may keep treating a printed rectangle as four interchangeable sides. Packaging can explain what the insert actually supports.

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VictorChen1142
Replying to OwenAllen0312

Another tool concept could be worth comparing now. Do not assume changing the carton is cheaper just because the gripper proposal arrived first.

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OwenAllen0312
Replying to VictorChen1142

The tool supplier is costing another concept while packaging reviews the side contact. We're also checking a lower-count pattern. Dispatch dislikes that option because it changes the number of pallets.

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SofiaArcher0369
Replying to OwenAllen0312

Fewer cartons may still win on total hassle, though dispatch gets to put a real cost beside its objection. I meant cost, not just a vote.

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SofiaChen1152
Replying to OwenAllen0312

What happens to the last part-filled pallet? We found that was the arrangement nobody had drawn at all.

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OwenAllen0312
Replying to SofiaChen1152

Good catch. Part-filled pallets are common here and the packing lead wants them included. Thanks, Sofia Chen; our current comparison only shows completed stacks.

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EmmaArcher0376
Replying to OwenAllen0312

I'd get the proposed handling and dispatch conditions into packaging's assessment too. Supporting the carton while it sits still is only one part of how you'll use that stack.

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OwenAllen0312
Replying to OwenAllen0312

Packaging has ruled out the proposed contact on the unsupported faces for these cartons. The other tool and lower-count arrangement are still being compared, with part-filled pallets included.

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SofiaArcher0369
Replying to OwenAllen0312

Did dispatch manage to price the extra pallets? Curious whether that objection stays as strong once the alternative tooling has a price.

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