Why did closing the carton gaps remove the gripper's way out?
OwenAllen0312 · 25 May 2025, 16:09 UTC
21 replies
Give both teams the same layer pair and placement order. Include the fingers fully open as well as holding a case. The order may change which neighbouring cases are already there.
14pointsThe gripper drawing currently shows only a held case. I've requested the opening envelope and added numbers to the placement order so we can discuss the same position.
11pointsWhich placement loses the opening space?
20pointsThe final case in the second layer. Earlier placements have a free side. The final one ends up enclosed on both finger sides by cases already placed.
17pointsCould the final case go in first? Obvious question, but I've watched everyone redesign tooling before anyone tried changing the little arrows.
5pointsWorth drawing, but the new last case still has to go somewhere. I'd trace the whole revised order before declaring the last-placement problem gone.
19pointsThere may also be a withdrawal problem even where the fingers can open. Ask for both motions on the drawing, especially beside the completed first row.
20pointsChanging the order moves the trapped position to another case. The supplier says they could grip across the other pair of faces, but packaging hasn't assessed those faces for that contact.
15pointsThere goes my cheap answer.
5pointsAre those faces different internally? Our cartons looked symmetrical outside but weren't once we looked at the inserts.
7pointsYes. The current insert backs one pair of faces and leaves more space behind the other pair. I don't know whether the proposed contact is acceptable there.
4pointsSend an opened sample as well as filled ones to that discussion. Otherwise the tool person may keep treating a printed rectangle as four interchangeable sides. Packaging can explain what the insert actually supports.
5pointsAnother tool concept could be worth comparing now. Do not assume changing the carton is cheaper just because the gripper proposal arrived first.
1pointsThe tool supplier is costing another concept while packaging reviews the side contact. We're also checking a lower-count pattern. Dispatch dislikes that option because it changes the number of pallets.
14pointsFewer cartons may still win on total hassle, though dispatch gets to put a real cost beside its objection. I meant cost, not just a vote.
11pointsWhat happens to the last part-filled pallet? We found that was the arrangement nobody had drawn at all.
4pointsGood catch. Part-filled pallets are common here and the packing lead wants them included. Thanks, Sofia Chen; our current comparison only shows completed stacks.
22pointsI'd get the proposed handling and dispatch conditions into packaging's assessment too. Supporting the carton while it sits still is only one part of how you'll use that stack.
3pointsPackaging has ruled out the proposed contact on the unsupported faces for these cartons. The other tool and lower-count arrangement are still being compared, with part-filled pallets included.
12pointsDid dispatch manage to price the extra pallets? Curious whether that objection stays as strong once the alternative tooling has a price.
7pointsDiscussion closed
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