Overlay the required support strips and the tool's occupied space on the same layer drawing, including withdrawal, before assuming those gaps can simply be closed.
Our UR5e layer count ignores the carton underside
MichaelBlair · 15 Oct 2025, 01:00 UTC
18 replies
Which boxes are affected? All the rotated ones, or just the corners? That changes how many useful alternatives you might have.
4 pointsTwo corner boxes on the rotated layer. The rest have support under both strips, according to packaging's marked drawing.
17 pointsOn my current proposals the fingers are the reason some gaps exist. Ask tooling which gaps they actually need before moving every carton to cure those two corners.
7 pointsOur awkward corner once needed somebody to slide the last carton sideways by hand, so ask how these last two are meant to arrive as well as where they finish.
13 pointsA hand finishing the layer belongs in the cost, not outside the drawing.
3 pointsCould you leave those two positions empty and compare the smaller layer? I don't know whether that helps the complete load, but it is a candidate packaging could assess.
14 pointsAnika, exactly, and somebody has to notice when the station needs that hand; a manual task hidden inside automatic time makes the staffing estimate rather imaginative.
13 pointsTooling says the current fingers need one of the two corner gaps during withdrawal. I have asked for a lower-count candidate and a different finger approach. No manual finishing step in our agreed scope.
18 pointsGood. Then don't quietly accept one in the replacement drawing. Does the lower-count option leave the stack symmetrical or take two boxes from one side?
20 pointsJane's question belongs with packaging's full-load assessment, not just the section through a single box; leaving positions empty can change more than the count.
18 pointsJonas, I like having the smaller candidate visible. I'd still show pallet handling cost beside it. Lower count can be sensible without being free.
3 pointsAgreed. I was trying to offer something to assess, not declare the smaller pallet better. The two unsupported positions seemed a sensible place to start.
8 pointsAnd try getting a partly built load out in the review, because stopping before the last two boxes is not always the same thing as planning a shorter layer.
12 pointsLuisArcher, would that change the recipe or just the end-of-order handling? I'm trying to understand where the operator sees the difference.
17 pointsDepends on the agreed handling, Sean; I mean ask who deals with an interruption, not invent a recipe change from a sketch.
12 pointsAnd don't call it end of order when it stopped halfway through one.
12 pointsMichael, I'd be interested in the two replacement drawings when they're ready. Particularly whether a different approach keeps both corner boxes without giving the operator another job.
5 pointsDiscussion closed
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