What counts as a confirmed defect on a reflective surface?

LucyArcher0393 · 5 Jun 2026, 22:27 UTC

Reply to discussion
LU
LucyArcher0393
We're planning inspecting reflective surfaces for scratches, with Fairino FR10 presenting a reflective aluminium bezel to a fixed camera in a robot-presented camera station. Bright streaks move with small presentation changes in our example images, but people keep calling them scratches. We haven't commissioned the cell. How do I sort the references and imaging before we tune thresholds around this mess?

16 replies

BR
BrunoChen1148
Replying to LucyArcher0393

Check whether the suspected scratches were confirmed on physical samples under the agreed appearance procedure. Link each image to its sample identity and inspection result first.

8 points
LU
LucyArcher0393
Replying to BrunoChen1148

Some labels came from the pictures alone. We still have the samples, but those labels aren't tied to physical inspection results. That's irritatingly circular

9 points
BR
BrunoChen1148
Replying to LucyArcher0393

Mark those labels uncertain and have the samples inspected properly. Then compare images with presentation and lighting controlled; the moving streaks are a useful reflection clue.

16 points
AL
AlexChan1081
Replying to BrunoChen1148

That clue needs a limit: presentation can also change how a real scratch appears. Movement in the image isn't enough to reclassify the sample as acceptable.

3 points
BR
BrunoChen1148
Replying to AlexChan1081

@AlexChan1081 You're right to qualify that. The streak behaviour motivates an imaging investigation; it doesn't replace physical classification under the agreed inspection procedure.

13 points
GA
GabrielBell0627
Replying to BrunoChen1148

Should uncertain images be treated as acceptable, or kept somewhere separate while their status is established?

13 points
BR
BrunoChen1148
Replying to GabrielBell0627

Retain their sample identities and undecided status. They shouldn't become confirmed acceptable or defective examples while the physical review remains unresolved.

16 points
LU
LucyArcher0393
Replying to BrunoChen1148

@BrunoChen1148 Our two comparison folders changed exposure and presentation together. I can't tell which change made the images look better. That comparison needs a caveat too

11 points
NA
NadiaAbbott0030
Replying to LucyArcher0393

I had a separate inspection setup where the 'better lighting' folder used easier samples too. Its name implied a lighting conclusion that the comparison didn't support.

5 points
LU
LucyArcher0393
Replying to NadiaAbbott0030

What did you keep beside each image? I can manage sample ID and settings, but I don't want a form nobody fills in

17 points
NA
NadiaAbbott0030
Replying to LucyArcher0393

For my separate setup, sample identity, exposure, lighting arrangement and presentation condition were the useful essentials. They let us understand comparisons without relying on recollection.

17 points
BR
BrunoChen1148
Replying to NadiaAbbott0030

Those records can support the vision specialist's comparison of image conditions. Holding the representative sample set constant will make an acquisition change easier to assess.

7 points
GA
GabrielBell0627
Replying to BrunoChen1148

Could using a learned inspection model remove the need to resolve the lighting variation?

23 points
BR
BrunoChen1148
Replying to GabrielBell0627

@GabrielBell0627 Any learned model still depends on reliable labels and representative evaluation. Changing the method doesn't resolve unconfirmed physical defects or an uncontrolled comparison of image conditions.

18 points
LU
LucyArcher0393
Replying to BrunoChen1148

My starting point is clear: establish physical references and compare image conditions in a controlled way. That resolves the planning question while leaving inspection suitability dependent on evaluation

5 points
BR
BrunoChen1148
Replying to LucyArcher0393

You've settled the starting method, with inspection suitability still tied to the physical-reference and controlled-image evaluation.

11 points

Add to the discussion

Welcome to Application Robot

Everyone can read the forum. Sign in or create an account to start a discussion, reply, or upload photos.

Forgot your password?

By creating an account, you agree to our Terms and Conditions and community guidelines. Read our Privacy Policy for how your information is handled.