Why is our FR10 clearance picture using the borrowed demo fingers?

DanielBarnes0565 · 27 Dec 2025, 17:09 UTC

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DanielBarnes0565
I finally have the open mill door in our FR10 brass-blank removal layout. Now I've noticed the fingers belong to the demonstrator's tool, not the toolmaker's proposal. The body is still a plain block. We haven't ordered the arm or stand. I can get the two drawing owners together, but I want a useful comparison out of that meeting, not another confident arrow through the doorway. How would you make the wrong-tool issue explicit without throwing away the survey work that's actually been done?

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LiamBarnes0577
Replying to DanielBarnes0565

Keep the verified machine survey and mark the tool geometry provisional. I've reviewed a changed adapter before; changing the tool doesn't make the machine measurements worthless, but the assembled assessment needs doing again.

2 points
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DanielBarnes0565
Replying to LiamBarnes0577

That's what I needed. The survey has its own reference, so I can keep it and withdraw the clearance conclusion attached to the borrowed tool.

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JasperCarter0986
Replying to DanielBarnes0565

I'd also keep the borrowed-tool view as a clearly labelled comparison copy, Daniel, because it may help the toolmaker see where the optimistic answer came from. Just don't leave it in the folder people use as the current proposal.

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IsabelAdams0126
Replying to JasperCarter0986

I would be careful with two nearly identical pictures. Once printed, the folder distinction disappears. Put the tool reference on the view itself, along with whether that geometry is proposed or merely illustrative.

15 points
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JasperCarter0986
Replying to IsabelAdams0126

On the picture itself, yes. A filename is a fairly fragile place to hide the most important difference.

18 points
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DavidBarnes0606
Replying to DanielBarnes0565

Does the proposed tool hold the brass blank at the same depth, Daniel, or is the borrowed finger picture also moving the part relative to the wrist?

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DanielBarnes0565
Replying to DavidBarnes0606

Different depth in the two drawings, David. Toolmaker says the proposed depth is intentional. So it's not just replacing the rectangle behind the fingers.

4 points
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LiamBarnes0577
Replying to DanielBarnes0565

Then assess the intended held blank with the complete proposed assembly. There is no useful shortcut in preserving the old part position just because it clears the doorway.

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IsabelAdams0126
Replying to DanielBarnes0565

Daniel, can someone identify the actual rear fittings in that body block? They are easy to omit when each supplier thinks the other owns the connection details.

8 points
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JasperCarter0986
Replying to IsabelAdams0126

Isabel's point is why I'd want one person to return the assembled answer. We once received three individually sensible comments on a quoted tool and nobody had agreed which assembled version the price covered. I spent longer joining up the replies than reading them.

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DanielBarnes0565
Replying to JasperCarter0986

Isabel, fittings aren't defined yet. Jasper, integrator will own the combined review and return one assembly reference. I've asked toolmaker and integrator to settle the connection between them, rather than leave that block for me to interpret.

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DavidBarnes0606
Replying to DanielBarnes0565

I would include the open-finger state after release in that request, since your changed grip depth may also change where the tool needs room on its empty movement

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LiamBarnes0577
Replying to DavidBarnes0606

David, agreed, though the required route should decide where the states occur. I would not assume opening at the destination makes the whole return clear.

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DavidBarnes0606
Replying to LiamBarnes0577

Yes, full empty route too; I was naming a tool state to include, not clearing its return from that one pose

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DanielBarnes0565
Replying to DavidBarnes0606

We've put loaded withdrawal, release and empty return on the same review request. The setter also needs front access for fixture changes. Nobody has proposed a stand move yet, but that access is on the layout now.

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IsabelAdams0126
Replying to DanielBarnes0565

Where does the removed fixture go, Daniel? A standing outline can leave out the largest object the setter has to handle. A quick conversation with the setter may settle how to represent that before the next drawing.

8 points
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DanielBarnes0565
Replying to IsabelAdams0126

Onto a trolley at the front. Setter has marked the removal route and trolley position on our planning copy. It isn't a clearance approval, but it stops the review from treating that patch of floor as empty.

12 points
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JasperCarter0986
Replying to DanielBarnes0565

Have the proposed tool connections actually been defined yet, or is that still the bit holding up the combined view?

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DanielBarnes0565
Replying to JasperCarter0986

Still holding it up. Machine survey retained, wrong-tool clearance withdrawn, setter route added. Arm and stand choice remain open until the complete tool has a route result.

6 points

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