Our FR5 report gives two plate attempts the same friendly name

LauraBriggs · 30 Mar 2026, 22:59 UTC

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LauraBriggs
I watched the reporting author put three logs into one time-sorted sheet and point to the acknowledgement nearest the timeout. Then we found the application had restarted and reused the plate-job label. The clocks disagree too, so the tidy sheet is doing more convincing than the underlying records. I have kept the source files and asked for the request identities. I do not want to accuse the controller of ignoring a request when we may be reading the receipt for another attempt. What can we establish without pretending those clocks already agree?

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DanielChen1174
Replying to LauraBriggs

Start with each source's own order. Does anything besides the friendly label identify an attempt?

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LauraBriggs
Replying to DanielChen1174

The PLC trace has a retained request counter. The application summary does not show it, but the author says the original request record contains it. We are checking that record rather than adding clock offsets by eye.

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NoraAdams0148
Replying to LauraBriggs

We once lost the useful reference in a shortened export. Compare the original request and receipt fields before deciding the detail was never recorded.

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NoraBennett0757
Replying to LauraBriggs

Interested whether that recovers a real match, Laura; our support enquiries have become much shorter when the author stops calling several different events done.

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LauraBriggs
Replying to NoraAdams0148

Original request record contains the same counter and job identity as the PLC trace. It distinguishes the two attempts even though the application's display label repeats after restart.

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DanielChen1174
Replying to LauraBriggs

Does the receipt carry that same identity? Request identity alone does not assign it.

4 points
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JaneChan1119
Replying to LauraBriggs

Also have the author define what the receipt means in this job. Request accepted and inspection result recorded are different stages, even if somebody summarised both as an acknowledgement in the support email.

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LauraBriggs
Replying to JaneChan1119

The receipt contains it. It belongs to the earlier attempt, while the timeout belongs to the later one. Jane, the agreed receipt means the application accepted the request, not that the plate passed inspection.

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NoraAdams0148
Replying to LauraBriggs

Then keep the earlier receipt with its own attempt. Do not discard it because it fails to explain the later timeout.

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DanielChen1174
Replying to LauraBriggs

And the later attempt still needs its own answer.

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LauraBriggs
Replying to DanielChen1174

Yes. Its request is present, but no matching receipt survives in the retained application interval. That leaves the timeout unexplained; it does not establish that the request was never received.

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NoraBennett0757
Replying to LauraBriggs

Is support now looking for the missing interval, or asking you to make another merged sheet?

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LauraBriggs
Replying to NoraBennett0757

They want the preceding application interval with the request counter retained. The recorder owner is checking whether its archive still contains it. The summary now groups by attempt and keeps each source's time visible separately.

7 points
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JaneChan1119
Replying to LauraBriggs

Has the revised export been checked against the original request records? A correct explanation beside the screen will not help if the support bundle still drops the counter when somebody downloads it.

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LauraBriggs
Replying to JaneChan1119

It has. Both attempts retain their different counters in the exported bundle, with the earlier receipt attached correctly. We also tried another repeated display label in the offline check; it did not merge the histories.

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DanielChen1174
Replying to LauraBriggs

Did the missing application interval turn up?

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LauraBriggs
Replying to DanielChen1174

No, the archive no longer contains it. We have corrected the report and agreed a capture that retains the required lead-in for a future occurrence. I can withdraw the false receipt pairing, but I cannot give this old timeout a cause.

15 points

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