Our FR10 drawing clears the vice but clips the door pocket

CallumBell0621 · 15 Dec 2024, 23:03 UTC

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CallumBell0621
The tool outline overlaps the door pocket on our FR10 proposal, although the blank itself clears. I spotted it while checking the mill drawing. Is that enough to reject the base position?

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GabrielBell0627
Replying to CallumBell0621

Which outline overlaps? The open fingers, the closed gripper, or some rectangle somebody drew round both? You need that distinction before moving the whole arm. A sketchy tool envelope can kill a decent layout or approve a bad one.

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CallumBell0621
Replying to GabrielBell0627

It's the rectangle around both finger positions. The gripper body is drawn separately, and that seems clear in this view

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GabrielBell0627
Replying to CallumBell0621

Then you haven't shown a collision yet. You have shown a space that needs checking. Does the tool need to open there, or is that after it has moved further into the machine?

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CallumBell0621
Replying to GabrielBell0627

I don't know where it opens yet. The sequence sheet just says load, release, retract. No intermediate positions

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GabrielBell0627
Replying to CallumBell0621

That's the missing bit. Ask for the release pose and the first withdrawal move with the actual finger geometry. Nobody can answer from 'retract'.

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HazelAdams0136
Replying to CallumBell0621

Cannot choose the mounting position from one view. Add a section through the doorway, with the tool at release height.

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GabrielBell0627
Replying to HazelAdams0136

And include the wrist in that section. We've spent all this time discussing fingers while the part behind them is apparently invisible.

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LeahAli0234
Replying to CallumBell0621

Our loading position cleared beautifully. The trouble was reaching a dropped part afterwards, because the new base blocked the access door. Get whoever clears stoppages to look at this drawing too.

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CallumBell0621
Replying to LeahAli0234

I asked our setter. He needs the front opening for fixture changes, so a base straight in front would create another problem

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JoFixtures
Replying to CallumBell0621

Give the designer that fixture-change requirement now, with the trolley space marked, or you'll get a lovely robot drawing that quietly borrows the setter's entire working area.

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GabrielBell0627
Replying to CallumBell0621

Has anyone put the actual door travel on the plan? A rectangle labelled 'door' isn't its swept space. Sorry to labour it, but that detail matters here.

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CallumBell0621
Replying to GabrielBell0627

Yes, the machine supplier's section shows its full travel. Thanks for the wrist point earlier; our designer hadn't included the rear of the tool adapter

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GabrielBell0627
Replying to CallumBell0621

Useful catch. Now check the same assembly on the way out with a part held. The incoming empty tool and outgoing loaded tool don't occupy identical space.

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LeahAli0234
Replying to JoFixtures

Who gets the final drawings after installation? Ours stayed in somebody's email and night shift kept using the first print. Put a revision on the copy by the machine.

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CallumBell0621
Replying to LeahAli0234

Maintenance will own the layout copy. We already have a drawing folder for this mill, so I'll ask for the approved version there

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HazelAdams0136
Replying to CallumBell0621

Good home for it. Include tool revision as well; fingers change without anyone thinking the layout changed.

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CallumBell0621
Replying to GabrielBell0627

The updated section shows clearance for release, but the loaded withdrawal still needs work. I'm leaving the base choice open until that's drawn

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GabrielBell0627
Replying to CallumBell0621

Fair result. When that path arrives, check its intermediate poses too. Two clear endpoints can still have something expensive between them.

23 points

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