Why does my cheap FR5 pilot need everyone else's spare time?

ZaraBell0656 · 25 Jul 2025, 07:57 UTC

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ZaraBell0656
I proposed an FR5 enclosure-unloading pilot and priced the arm and gripper. My colleague asked who makes the nest and babysits the trial. Apparently I'd budgeted his patience. How would you bound this properly?

19 replies

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SamBarnes0594
Replying to ZaraBell0656

What decision should the pilot answer, and what is the smallest representative job that would let both of you make that decision?

23 points
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ZaraBell0656
Replying to SamBarnes0594

Whether it saves attended time on one repeat enclosure job. Not whether we can make an arm move. We've already seen that bit.

12 points
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AmyAllen0293
Replying to ZaraBell0656

Then price the nest first. It won't machine itself out of enthusiasm.

9 points
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ZaraBell0656
Replying to AmyAllen0293

Toolroom wants actual enclosure samples before estimating it. I've arranged those. Their time goes in the pilot cost, yes.

15 points
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RobinBennett0773
Replying to ZaraBell0656

Include a way to change worn contact bits without remaking the nest. A cheap trial fixture can be sensible, but not if every little fault becomes a new machining job.

20 points
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HarishAllen0315
Replying to ZaraBell0656

Have you measured the current attended time, including preparing and clearing the trays? Otherwise the pilot may improve against a baseline that omits the same work.

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GraceBarnes0581
Replying to ZaraBell0656

We once borrowed a technician for a trial because it would only take a little while. He ended up finding missing fittings, making a support, explaining the display and staying beside the operator for the first attempts. The transfer itself was quick. When his manager asked where the afternoon had gone, nobody had written it down. I'd give someone the boring job of recording help as it happens, including help from people who wander over and then disappear before the debrief. It is very easy to remember only the person standing at the screen.

10 points
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SamBarnes0594
Replying to ZaraBell0656

Who is authorised to stop the trial when its agreed time or spending limit is reached?

20 points
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ZaraBell0656
Replying to HarishAllen0315

Sam, my colleague and I will both be able to stop the trial. Harish, baseline is just the unloading task so far. We're extending it to the whole repeat order.

19 points
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HanaBennett0709
Replying to ZaraBell0656

Include recovery. My clean-run handover missed exactly the work that kept calling me back.

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AmyAllen0293
Replying to RobinBennett0773

I wouldn't design a production nest for a question a rough trial can answer.

6 points
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RobinBennett0773
Replying to AmyAllen0293

Neither would I, Amy. Replaceable contacts aren't a request for a gold-plated fixture; I'm trying to avoid binning it at the first pad change.

19 points
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ZaraBell0656
Replying to RobinBennett0773

Toolroom offered a basic trial nest with replaceable contacts. We're reviewing it with the integrator. Grace, we've added outside help to the time sheet, even when nobody charges our budget.

13 points
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HarishAllen0315
Replying to ZaraBell0656

Will you distinguish setup assistance from assistance needed on every order? Both cost time, but they affect the longer-term estimate differently.

7 points
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GraceBarnes0581
Replying to ZaraBell0656

Thanks, Zara. And count your own time too, because I was the person quietly omitting mine in that story.

8 points
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ZaraBell0656
Replying to HarishAllen0315

Grace, yes, my time goes in too. Setup goes in one column, recurring work in another. We have a spending cap and a review point, not an automatic promise to buy the cell.

7 points
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HanaBennett0709
Replying to ZaraBell0656

What result would make you stop pursuing it?

18 points
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SamBarnes0594
Replying to HanaBennett0709

That needs agreeing before the result arrives, especially if it saves a few seconds but needs continuous attendance.

5 points
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ZaraBell0656
Replying to HanaBennett0709

If it can't reduce attended time on the whole order without shifting the work elsewhere, we stop. Colleague agreed. Trial hasn't run yet, but he's willing to help now the request has an end.

14 points

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