Carton supports versus the second layer

JoBarnes0592 · 30 Apr 2025, 00:23 UTC

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JoBarnes0592
Our FR10 pallet plan looks lovely until I draw the loaded strips under the cartons, then half the rotated layer seems to bridge gaps; I don't know enough about packaging to sign that off, and the gripper supplier wants an approved pattern first.

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to JoBarnes0592

Get packaging and the gripper supplier looking at it together, otherwise each is waiting for the other to approve the space they need.

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JoBarnes0592
Replying to BrunoChan1061

Meeting booked. Bringing a packed carton instead of another empty rectangle.

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to JoBarnes0592

Actual pallet too, or its measured board layout.

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OscarCarter0967
Replying to JoBarnes0592

Does the carton drawing identify which strips carry the contents? A visible fold underneath may not be the support feature you think it is. Packaging should confirm that before the discussion gets too far.

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JoBarnes0592
Replying to OscarCarter0967

Yes, packaging confirmed the two loaded strips from the insert section. That part isn't my guess, luckily.

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BrunoBennett0713
Replying to JoBarnes0592

Match that section to the current carton revision and contents. I have seen similar outside boxes carry the load differently after an insert change, so the physical sample and the drawing need to describe the same package.

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to JoBarnes0592

Which carton revision is on your sample, Jo?

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JoBarnes0592
Replying to BrunoChan1061

Revision D, same as the section from packaging. Supplier had modelled revision B, so that's now being corrected.

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SofiaChen1152
Replying to JoBarnes0592

What changed between B and D? We had to check the packaging revision on our own layer review before the tool outline was useful.

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JoBarnes0592
Replying to SofiaChen1152

Insert position. Outside box dimensions stayed the same. The supplier now has D and says one corner release is tight with the current fingers.

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SofiaChen1152
Replying to JoBarnes0592

Do they have the surrounding placed cartons in that view?

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to JoBarnes0592

And show the fingers withdrawing. The carton still being held above its spot is the easy picture.

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JoBarnes0592
Replying to SofiaChen1152

They've added neighbours and withdrawal. Current pattern doesn't leave room. Packaging is considering a lower-count layer, toolmaker is considering shorter fingers. Neither option approved.

6 points
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OscarCarter0967
Replying to JoBarnes0592

Can the shorter fingers still reach the required contact area on the carton? I would want that checked on the packed sample rather than inferred from the extra clearance.

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JoBarnes0592
Replying to OscarCarter0967

Still being checked. No sample trial yet; the lower-count layer also needs packaging to look at the full stack.

23 points
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BrunoBennett0713
Replying to JoBarnes0592

Include whatever sheets and restraint the finished unit load requires in that stack review. Approving a layer in isolation could leave the dispatch arrangement incomplete.

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BrunoChan1061
Replying to JoBarnes0592

Has planning priced the lower-count option? Might be cheaper than clever fingers.

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JoBarnes0592
Replying to BrunoChan1061

They are comparing it now. I've held the tooling order until one whole arrangement survives packaging, handling and dispatch review. Bit less pretty than the first drawing, much more useful.

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