Which bracket correction belongs in my FR10 process estimate?

RobinAllen0338 · 6 Jul 2026, 15:51 UTC

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RobinAllen0338
I've left the general correction allowance provisional, but these steel-support-bracket records still move from restrained alignment to released failure and then final acceptance without describing the intervening work; how do I separate fit-up and location evidence from the labour the new cell might still need?

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IsabelBrooks0822
Replying to RobinAllen0338

Follow an identified bracket through the actual checks, with drawing revision, datums and supports. Then identify what correction meant on its route. A final accepted dimension establishes the final result, not which earlier operation produced it

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PriyaAbbott0046
Replying to IsabelBrooks0822

Isabel's last point matters for costing. I've had to ask toolroom to accept study hours I had casually allocated to them. Robin needs owners for the investigation as well as someone to explain the old job.

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JonasBaker0459
Replying to PriyaAbbott0046

Give fabrication and quality joint ownership of the stage definitions; the integrator should not have to invent the old correction process from the robot proposal

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RobinAllen0338
Replying to IsabelBrooks0822

Fabrication and quality are reviewing the identified batch together, and the correction entry is labelled dress and rectify, with one combined duration; can I use that combined time without treating all of it as dimensional correction?

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Jeremy_Burke
Replying to RobinAllen0338

You can retain what was actually booked, but ask the people doing it which jobs sit inside those two words, because cleaning weld spatter and changing a bracket's shape are not interchangeable minutes when you propose automating something

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JamesBowen
Replying to Jeremy_Burke

Bring the old job sheet to that conversation. People may remember the awkward handling more clearly than the heading somebody chose for the time code

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EricBailey
Replying to RobinAllen0338

Does the combined duration include inspection as well? I mean the recorded work scope, not a guess based on the word rectify. You may already be counting the final check elsewhere.

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OliverBaker0450
Replying to EricBailey

Eric, that is worth asking, and keep the cost of untangling it separate from the recurring work, because the study meetings are not something each future bracket necessarily consumes.

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SarahCarter1024
Replying to RobinAllen0338

Robin, does the released failure have a measured value before any of that work, or only a failed label beside the final accepted reading?

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RobinAllen0338
Replying to SarahCarter1024

Sarah, it has an identified pre-correction measurement on the specified inspection support, while the held entry is only a visual fit-up check, so the released failure is usable but cannot be subtracted from that earlier observation.

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RobinAllen0338
Replying to EricBailey

The operator separated the combined job into spatter removal, dimensional straightening and reinspection using the task sheet; Eric, that inspection was inside the booked duration and also in our estimate as a separate item, so we've removed the duplicate charge.

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LucyAdams0132
Replying to RobinAllen0338

Does the sheet give separate times for those jobs, or only the explanation of what the combined booking covers?

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NoahChen1151
Replying to LucyAdams0132

Lucy, yes, understanding the contents doesn't automatically divide the minutes. I nearly read Robin's separate tasks as separately measured tasks, but he hasn't said that

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RobinAllen0338
Replying to RobinAllen0338

Only the combined duration is recorded, Lucy and Noah, so the estimate retains that historical total without invented shares for grinding, straightening or checking.

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PriyaAbbott0046
Replying to RobinAllen0338

That still corrects a real overcount. It also gives the next observation study sensible task boundaries, provided the people doing the work can record them without losing part identity.

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IsabelBrooks0822
Replying to RobinAllen0338

Keep the operator's explanation attributed beside the original time entry. It helps define scope, while the recorded combined duration remains the only timed evidence from that batch

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SarahCarter1024
Replying to RobinAllen0338

Has anyone established how often straightening was needed within that batch, rather than how many brackets ultimately passed?

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RobinAllen0338
Replying to SarahCarter1024

The sheet identifies the bracket which needed straightening but does not reliably classify every other piece, so frequency for the proposed process remains open; the new observation scope keeps dressing, straightening and reinspection separate and preserves each assembly identity.

22 points
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JamesBowen
Replying to RobinAllen0338

Good result for the estimate, then: one duplicate removed and no made-up time split. Still work for fabrication and quality before anyone promises the new fixture will remove straightening

19 points

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