A 38-spacer pilot with the fixture hours missing

OscarBrooks0793 · 10 Jun 2026, 06:48 UTC

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OscarBrooks0793
Priced an FR5 and gripper for fixture unloading. Left the fixture work and everyone's time as vague bits. Colleague has noticed, fairly loudly. Want a small pilot for our 38 spacers that we can both judge without me waving at the arm price again.

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JackBrooks0863
Replying to OscarBrooks0793

What does your colleague think the pilot should answer, Oscar? They might be worrying about being left to keep it going, while you're trying to demonstrate that the spacer can be moved.

9 points
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OscarBrooks0793
Replying to JackBrooks0863

Exactly that. He's the one who changes fixtures when I'm elsewhere. Doesn't want another process that needs my personal visit to behave.

12 points
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LuisBrown0956
Replying to OscarBrooks0793

Include him operating it after an agreed handover. Give him paid time for that work and record the help he needs. A demonstration run with you beside him will not answer his concern.

8 points
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OscarBrooks0793
Replying to LuisBrown0956

He's willing if we agree a limit on further fixture work first. I hadn't set one. The prototype has been borrowing little pieces of the toolroom's time.

22 points
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HenryBrooks0786
Replying to OscarBrooks0793

Borrowing is doing some impressive accounting there. Count those hours too.

18 points
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AnilBell0636
Replying to OscarBrooks0793

Start with a measured manual baseline before buying pilot tooling. You can agree what preparation, unloading, changeover and clearing mean with a stopwatch and the people doing the job.

21 points
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JackBrooks0863
Replying to AnilBell0636

Anil, would you measure the whole shift or just those 38? Our short jobs often looked marvellous until we put the next product back on the bench.

4 points
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AnilBell0636
Replying to JackBrooks0863

The job plus the change into and out of it. Whole-shift context can help, but don't bury the actual task in an average nobody can explain.

13 points
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OscarBrooks0793
Replying to AnilBell0636

We now have a baseline including clearing for the next product, and agreed a fixture allowance plus staff-hour cap. My colleague has the same authority to stop the trial as I do. No trial run yet.

15 points
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HenryBrooks0786
Replying to OscarBrooks0793

Is his training time inside that cap or additional? Make it visible either way.

15 points
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OscarBrooks0793
Replying to HenryBrooks0786

Inside it. Separate line so we can see where the hours went. Thanks Luis for the independent-run idea; that changed what we are asking the pilot to prove.

16 points
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LuisBrown0956
Replying to OscarBrooks0793

Let us know whether he can complete the agreed job and changeover without you taking over. Record any assistance honestly; it may show a small handover repair or a much larger support requirement.

10 points

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