Am I automating the easy five seconds and keeping all the faff?

ElliotBennett0770 · 19 Jun 2025, 16:51 UTC

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ElliotBennett0770
I got the UR5e moving our sample bags into trays, then spent most of the next session flattening corners and turning seams away from the pickup. Different bag, new little ritual. I've put a lot into this and now every bad result makes me want to design one more insert. The arm motion is fine. It's my unpaid career as chief bag arranger that's bothering me. Has anyone pulled a packaging trial back to something useful without pretending all that setup work will magically disappear in production?

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AmaraBrooks0861
Replying to ElliotBennett0770

How much of a normal order is spent preparing bags before they reach the robot? I would count that with the transfer, not start the timer at the first pickup.

15 points
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ElliotBennett0770
Replying to AmaraBrooks0861

More than half our attended time on the mixed box. I left it outside the first comparison. Very flattering comparison, that one.

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DanielBrooks0826
Replying to ElliotBennett0770

Then rerun the comparison from the same incoming condition on both methods; the robot version cannot be handed prepared bags while the manual version gets the box as delivered

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ElliotBennett0770
Replying to DanielBrooks0826

Agreed. Manual operator takes them straight from the incoming box. My robot tray starts looking like a product photograph. That's the missing work.

5 points
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MayaChen1171
Replying to ElliotBennett0770

Who can set it up when you're not there?

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AmaraBrooks0861
Replying to ElliotBennett0770

And which bag type makes most of the preparation work? The mixed total might hide one order that behaves reasonably well.

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ChloeBennett0744
Replying to AmaraBrooks0861

I would be cautious about cancelling all of it from the mixed trial, if one stable order represents enough work to justify a simpler arrangement. I cannot tell whether you have such an order, though.

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DanielBrooks0826
Replying to ChloeBennett0744

A narrower order still needs its own costs, including changing into and out of that arrangement; otherwise the small successful corner becomes another flattering comparison

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ElliotBennett0770
Replying to MayaChen1171

One repeat bag is much easier. Still needs orienting. Maya, another operator can run a prepared tray but calls me when the corners won't lie down.

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MayaChen1171
Replying to ElliotBennett0770

Then don't count your absence as free operator time. They still need your help, even if you answer from another bench.

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AmaraBrooks0861
Replying to ElliotBennett0770

Could that operator prepare the repeat order and record every time they need you? Not to catch them out. To find the work your hands are quietly supplying.

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ChloeBennett0744
Replying to AmaraBrooks0861

I would make that a bounded comparison, with an agreed decision afterwards. Continuing to develop inserts while measuring their benefit makes it difficult to know which arrangement you have actually evaluated.

20 points
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ElliotBennett0770
Replying to ChloeBennett0744

I'm tempted to make one shaped tray first. Current one is flat and clearly wrong for the bag. Feels daft to cancel without trying the obvious fix.

18 points
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DanielBrooks0826
Replying to ElliotBennett0770

Price that trial before defending it; 'one shaped tray' can include design, manufacture, storage and another changeover routine, not just a piece of plastic

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MayaChen1171
Replying to ElliotBennett0770

What would make you stop after that tray?

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ElliotBennett0770
Replying to MayaChen1171

If another operator still needs me to rescue ordinary bags, or whole-order labour isn't better than manual. We need to agree how much improvement is worth the maintenance burden.

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ChloeBennett0744
Replying to ElliotBennett0770

That last point matters. A tiny labour saving may be unattractive with frequent changes, but there could be another benefit worth discussing, such as reducing a tiring repetitive task. Have the operator weigh in on that.

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AmaraBrooks0861
Replying to ChloeBennett0744

Do they actually prefer using it?

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ElliotBennett0770
Replying to AmaraBrooks0861

They like not reaching across the tray. Hate fiddling with seams. Useful distinction, thanks. I've asked them to compare both jobs, not rate the robot as a whole.

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DanielBrooks0826
Replying to DanielBrooks0826

Have you agreed the trial budget, or is the shaped tray already being made?

10 points

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