Which demo won, the arm or the tray?

ThomasBrown0886 · 5 May 2025, 20:11 UTC

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ThomasBrown0886
I was asked to rank two handling proposals, one using an FR10, from their demonstration videos. The first used a clean machined tray. The second used our returnable tray, including the awkward corner pockets. Both suppliers selected a run in which the spacers were placed successfully. Neither supplied setup time or a record of operator interventions. The internal comparison sheet nevertheless has a winner highlighted in green, based on a small difference in the visible cycle. I am not comfortable signing that sheet. What common trial would let us compare the proposed systems without pretending those videos held everything else constant?

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KaiBrown0889
Replying to ThomasBrown0886

Agree the input, accepted output and included manual work first.

19 points
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ThomasBrown0886
Replying to KaiBrown0889

The machined tray is included in that proposal, but someone must transfer our incoming parts into it; the video begins after that work is done.

10 points
KA
KaiBrown0889
Replying to ThomasBrown0886

Then time that transfer too.

5 points
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OmarBrown0926
Replying to ThomasBrown0886

We had a similar comparison where the faster cell needed a person sorting parts off-camera. Once that work was included, the decision looked rather different

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ThomasBrown0886
Replying to OmarBrown0926

Was the sorting part of your normal incoming process, or work introduced by the proposed cell?

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OmarBrown0926
Replying to ThomasBrown0886

Introduced by the cell. Our existing process didn't need it. That was the bit we'd missed

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KaiBrown0889
Replying to OmarBrown0926

Exactly the cost to include.

21 points
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RosaChan1075
Replying to ThomasBrown0886

Our lab compared two dispensers using little piles of hand-selected parts. Both looked wonderful. Then the technician who actually prepared the work asked where the rest of the bag had gone. We'd removed nearly every awkward sample before the trial. Nobody meant to cheat, we just wanted the demo to go smoothly. I'd let the operators choose a representative incoming set and write down any preparation. Also ask for the unedited run and intervention notes. The rejected and interrupted bits can tell you more about owning the equipment than another minute of successful transfers.

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KaiBrown0889
Replying to RosaChan1075

Keep the awkward samples in.

8 points
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LucyBrown0915
Replying to KaiBrown0889

Careful with that. Representative awkward samples, yes. Every damaged tray you can find, no. Otherwise you've replaced a flattering demo with a punishment test that doesn't describe the workshop either.

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KaiBrown0889
Replying to LucyBrown0915

Fair correction. Representative is the point.

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ThomasBrown0886
Replying to LucyBrown0915

We have a proposed incoming set selected with production, including the corner-pocket variation we routinely see; both suppliers will receive the same input description and acceptance criteria.

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RosaChan1075
Replying to ThomasBrown0886

Will you watch a changeover too?

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ThomasBrown0886
Replying to RosaChan1075

Yes, including tray preparation and the operator's involvement. The ranking is withdrawn until those trials provide a comparison we can defend.

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KaiBrown0889
Replying to ThomasBrown0886

That green cell can wait.

14 points

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