Cannot compare FR5 carton quotes while customer assistance means two different jobs

JosephBlair · 18 Dec 2025, 08:18 UTC

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JosephBlair
One supplier includes a presented carton and prepared kit. The cheaper offer starts with our operator doing that preparation and calls it customer assistance. I need to compare the complete job, not punish the fuller quote for admitting there is work before the robot moves. What should we put beside the totals?

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HassanChan1052
Replying to JosephBlair

What exactly does the operator prepare in the cheaper option, and how often? I'd list the actual tasks before anybody assigns one optimistic assistance allowance to all of them.

8 points
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JosephBlair
Replying to HassanChan1052

Open and present the cartons, orient the boxed kits, then replenish both. The other supplier includes a presentation concept but hasn't finalised the fixture price. Neither total is complete.

15 points
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SarahAdams0154
Replying to JosephBlair

Compare interruptions as well as the steady feed. If the same person replenishes and deals with an awkward carton, the work can overlap. A total of separate best-case times won't tell you whether they can cover the station.

13 points
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JamieChan1078
Replying to JosephBlair

Ask the packer to check that task list before the suppliers price it, because the missing bit is often the thing everybody thinks happens somewhere else

15 points
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ThomasBrooks0799
Replying to JosephBlair

Keep the two process options if both are worth considering. Align their task coverage and assumptions without pretending they must allocate the work to the same person or machine. That difference may be the point of the comparison.

14 points
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HassanChan1052
Replying to ThomasBrooks0799

Thomas, yes. I don't want Joseph to buy automatic presentation merely because it makes the quote look more complete. I want the manual preparation named and costed so the choice is real.

20 points
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JosephBlair
Replying to JamieChan1078

Packer says clearing unfinished kits at a format change is missing from both. She wants that included, particularly when the next order uses the same carton but a different kit.

23 points
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SarahAdams0154
Replying to JosephBlair

That is worth keeping distinct from replenishment. Returning the old kit supply and confirming the next one can be a different task from simply topping up an empty tray.

10 points
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JamieChan1078
Replying to JosephBlair

And include where the returned stock goes, not just an empty station at the end of the drawing

11 points
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ThomasBrooks0799
Replying to ThomasBrooks0799

Does either offer include the required safeguarding, commissioning and operator handover for its complete method? A change in preparation can affect the tasks that need reviewing, even if the arm and gripper price stays the same.

9 points
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JosephBlair
Replying to ThomasBrooks0799

Both have provisional lines, with different assumptions about operator access and changeover. Our integrator is reviewing the complete methods. I haven't treated the manual assistance line as permission to work anywhere around the cell.

19 points
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HassanChan1052
Replying to JosephBlair

Who owns pricing the internal preparation and changeover time, Joseph? It needs an answer from your team rather than another supplier guess about how available your packer will be.

16 points
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JosephBlair
Replying to HassanChan1052

Packing lead owns it with the operator. Fixture allowances remain separate. Our summary now shows the two methods and their unanswered costs, not a cheapest-supplier ranking.

21 points
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SarahAdams0154
Replying to JosephBlair

Good. Keep the operator's changeover comment with it; don't let the summary retain the minutes and lose the task.

11 points
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JamieChan1078
Replying to SarahAdams0154

That comment is probably worth more than another decimal place in the robot cycle estimate

21 points

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