half our scratch examples might be reflections

PriyaCarter1003 · 1 Mar 2025, 06:59 UTC

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PriyaCarter1003
I'm sorting faceplate images for a proposed FR10 inspection cell, and the brightest 'scratch' changes position between views of the same part. Nobody kept the physical judgement with the image labels. I'd like to salvage useful references before threshold tuning turns this argument into software.

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NoraChen1192
Replying to PriyaCarter1003

Can you still match those views to the actual faceplate, and have quality judge its condition using the agreed product criteria before any image gets a defect label?

18 points
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PriyaCarter1003
Replying to NoraChen1192

For that pair, yes. There's a sample number in the uncropped originals. Some older pictures have no identity anywhere, so I'm putting those aside for now rather than inventing one.

9 points
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NoraChen1192
Replying to PriyaCarter1003

Keep the unidentified pictures as examples of the imaging problem if useful, but they cannot support a traceable acceptance reference in their present form.

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TheoBell0671
Replying to PriyaCarter1003

Our inspection team had a similar disagreement over a polished ring. The surface was real; the apparent line was mostly lighting. We needed the physical inspection and the imaging experiment recorded separately, or each group kept thinking the other had settled the question.

5 points
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NoraChen1192
Replying to TheoBell0671

That distinction matters here too; a changing highlight demonstrates presentation sensitivity, but does not prove the faceplate has no genuine defect elsewhere.

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OscarBell0619
Replying to PriyaCarter1003

Can you reproduce the changing line with one identified sample before collecting hundreds more images?

8 points
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NoraChen1192
Replying to OscarBell0619

A controlled small comparison would help define what the larger collection must record, including illumination, camera settings and sample presentation.

19 points
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PriyaCarter1003
Replying to OscarBell0619

We've reproduced it at the bench with the same faceplate and a small orientation change. Quality also found a real fine scratch that is visible in only some views. Both effects need handling.

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SofiaArcher0369
Replying to PriyaCarter1003

That's a useful awkward sample. Keep it; the easy images won't tell you whether the setup handles the ambiguity you're actually worried about.

21 points
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PriyaCarter1003
Replying to SofiaArcher0369

It's identified and retained now. I'm adding the physical inspection result beside the paired images, with the setup details. The uncertain labels are coming out of the training folder.

9 points
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SofiaArcher0369
Replying to PriyaCarter1003

Coming out of training, yes, but keep a review set too. Sorry, I mean retain the uncertainty somewhere it can be revisited rather than deleting the troublesome pictures.

10 points
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NoraChen1192
Replying to SofiaArcher0369

Use an explicit unresolved judgement for those examples; forcing them into the accepted or rejected class would make the dataset appear more certain than the inspection team is.

12 points
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OscarBell0619
Replying to PriyaCarter1003

Who approves changes to that reference set after the cell is handed over?

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NoraChen1192
Replying to OscarBell0619

Assign that responsibility alongside the imaging setup ownership, so a lighting adjustment does not leave old reference images silently representing a different inspection condition.

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PriyaCarter1003
Replying to NoraChen1192

Quality will own judgements; the vision lead will own acquisition settings. We have a small traceable review set now, not an approved production classifier. The old screenshots are retained outside training with their limitations.

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NoraChen1192
Replying to PriyaCarter1003

That gives you a defensible starting point; the next question is whether the chosen imaging conditions reliably reveal the defects your product criteria require you to find.

9 points

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