How do I stop our FR10 bezel reference set voting on reflections?

LuisBrown0956 · 13 Jun 2026, 12:03 UTC

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LuisBrown0956
The example labels call bright streaks scratches, but the streaks shift when our reflective aluminium bezel is presented differently. Commissioning has not started. I want physical reference decisions and controlled imaging before the team spends more time tuning thresholds around uncertain labels.

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OscarBennett0706
Replying to LuisBrown0956

Who assigned those labels, and can they identify the claimed scratches on the retained physical bezels? I would establish that before changing any imaging settings.

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NoraBaker0496
Replying to LuisBrown0956

Keep repeated views of the same bezel together too. If people see each view as a new example, they may not notice that their labels disagree about one physical part. That is useful evidence of uncertainty, not rubbish to delete.

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AnnaAbbott0068
Replying to LuisBrown0956

And check the seat before buying more camera kit, because a bezel rocking on two positions can make a perfectly repeatable camera look inconsistent.

14 points
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LuisBrown0956
Replying to OscarBennett0706

The labels came from two people looking at photographs, not inspecting the bezels. Three identified parts are retained. One can sit in two slightly different positions in the proposed holder, which we have not yet measured.

14 points
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OscarBennett0706
Replying to LuisBrown0956

Then the physical decisions are still missing. I would have quality examine the retained parts against the appearance requirement, with disputed cases left explicit rather than decided by the brighter photograph.

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GraceChen1190
Replying to LuisBrown0956

Our bright example became a training slide. Has yours escaped into any handover material yet?

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NoraBaker0496
Replying to AnnaAbbott0068

Anna, would you compare both existing seats before changing the holder? I'd want to preserve the condition that produced the label disagreement, so the designer has a useful case to improve.

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AnnaAbbott0068
Replying to NoraBaker0496

Yes, Nora, record both; I meant inspect the physical presentation first, not quietly machine the holder until the bad picture disappears.

7 points
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LuisBrown0956
Replying to GraceChen1190

Grace, one slide deck uses the disputed image, and I've marked that slide unverified. Nora and Anna, both seating conditions are retained for comparison; quality still needs to judge the actual parts.

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GraceChen1190
Replying to LuisBrown0956

Thanks for checking the deck. It's easier than unteaching a confident caption later.

7 points
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OscarBennett0706
Replying to OscarBennett0706

Luis, does the appearance requirement define the viewing condition used for the physical judgement? That will matter when the team compares the camera's answer with it.

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NoraBaker0496
Replying to OscarBennett0706

I'd keep a confirmed reject in the imaging work once quality selects it. Losing all the bright streaks is not success if the same change also makes a real scratch disappear.

9 points
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LuisBrown0956
Replying to OscarBennett0706

Quality has judged the retained pieces under the agreed viewing method and selected a reject with its scratch location marked. Holder and lighting comparisons are still pending. We have better references, not a validated inspection method yet.

21 points
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AnnaAbbott0068
Replying to LuisBrown0956

I'd be interested which seat was producing the worst view, but let the comparison answer that instead of letting my suspicion about the holder become the conclusion.

23 points

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