Do we copy the shim stack into the new welding fixture?

AishaArcher0431 · 11 Dec 2024, 16:02 UTC

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AishaArcher0431
I'm reviewing records for our FR10 bracket cell. Old fixture has loose shims. Nobody signed their purpose.

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ElenaAli0253
Replying to AishaArcher0431

Where are the shims? Under a locator and under a worn clamp foot are rather different stories.

11points
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AishaArcher0431
Replying to ElenaAli0253

Under the rear locator block. Three pieces, different thicknesses. The drawing shows none.

10points
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ElenaAli0253
Replying to AishaArcher0431

Then establish what position that stack creates before copying it. It might be a deliberate correction, but it might also be somebody's repair to a damaged mounting face.

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AnilAli0201
Replying to AishaArcher0431

Do the sheets show parts measured after unclamping, or only while held?

3points
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ElenaAli0253
Replying to AnilAli0201

And does the inspection datum match the fixture datum? Otherwise you can spend ages explaining a difference introduced by the measurement setup.

8points
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AishaArcher0431
Replying to ElenaAli0253

Inspection is on the bench. The sheet references the base face; fixture drawing references two holes.

9points
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ElenaAli0253
Replying to AishaArcher0431

Different datums can be legitimate. Have quality explain the relationship on one actual drawing before treating that as the fault.

24points
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ChloeAdams0135
Replying to AishaArcher0431

Could you photograph the locator and stack beside the old drawing? It would give the original toolmaker something concrete to recognise without paying for a new fixture yet.

8points
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HenryAllen0264
Replying to AishaArcher0431

We inherited a shim that compensated for a repair. Has that mounting face ever been resurfaced?

17points
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ElenaAli0253
Replying to HenryAllen0264

That's plausible, but the stack itself won't tell us. Look for a maintenance entry tied to the fixture number.

11points
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AishaArcher0431
Replying to ElenaAli0253

Found a repair invoice mentioning the block mounting face. No amount removed, unfortunately.

18points
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AnilAli0201
Replying to AishaArcher0431

Does the invoice identify this fixture, or a similar one in the same batch?

6points
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AishaArcher0431
Replying to AnilAli0201

This fixture number, and the toolmaker recognised the repair from our photo.

16points
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ElenaAli0253
Replying to AishaArcher0431

Ask what finished locator position he restored. A new base may need no equivalent shim at all, provided it puts the locator in that verified position.

17points
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AishaArcher0431
Replying to ElenaAli0253

He has the inspection sketch. Stack restored the original height after the repair, not a weld allowance.

17points
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ChloeAdams0135
Replying to AishaArcher0431

That photo earned its keep then. Are the released bracket measurements still outside tolerance with the restored height?

2points
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AishaArcher0431
Replying to ChloeAdams0135

Some are. We can specify the locator now, but quality still needs to investigate the released shape.

17points
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ElenaAli0253
Replying to AishaArcher0431

Fair distinction. Keep the repair sketch with the new fixture specification so the loose shims don't become a mysterious welding requirement again.

12points

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