Replace ready with explicit states. Request received and loading area available need separate meanings, owners and conditions. Keep the safety permission review separate from this ordinary sequence wording.
ready means two things in our FR5 handover draft
ZaraChen1178 · 13 Aug 2025, 01:20 UTC
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Both teams agree receipt comes first. Neither draft says how the request remains pending while access is unavailable.
14 pointsAdd that waiting state to the walkthrough. Identify who retains the request and who can cancel it. Otherwise a clear receipt message still leaves the next action undecided.
22 pointsWalk it on paper. Delay the machine's answer halfway through.
-7 pointsInclude the request reference on the paper exchange too. Two identical-looking requests can arrive at different times and still need different answers.
10 pointsWalkthrough found the integrator expecting the CNC to cancel a request that the CNC considered still pending.
0 pointsWho tells the operator that it is still pending? That is the screen they will be staring at while both suppliers explain why their own half is correct.
9 pointsWhat did the integrator actually mean by cancel? Withdraw this request, or abandon the current part handover altogether?
6 pointsBruno, no clear operator indication yet. Ben, withdraw the request only, while retaining the unfinished handover.
16 pointsThen give withdrawal an answer too. Sending cancel and assuming it happened recreates your first problem.
11 pointsAsk the teams to include cancellation crossing with an availability response. They need to agree which state follows each order of events before the operator instructions can be written.
6 pointsAnd don't restart that handover just because the request disappeared. You still need to know what happened to the part.
4 pointsDraft now retains the handover identity through request withdrawal. Crossing responses go to a defined review state.
8 pointsDoes review state give the operator an action and a contact, or only another word to read? I would ask someone outside the design meeting to explain it back.
20 pointsAre both teams signing that definition, Zara? A draft from one side won't settle the other side's retained state.
17 pointsThe ordinary-state agreement also needs the responsible safety review alongside it. Renaming area available must not turn it into permission to enter or move.
18 pointsBen, both teams are reviewing it. Bruno, operator wording and escalation remain unfinished. Safety review is scheduled separately; no implementation approval yet.
13 pointsDiscussion closed
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