our bad cover folder contains the same cover looking good

AnikaBennett0769 · 9 Apr 2025, 04:48 UTC

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AnikaBennett0769
I'm sorting references for an FR10 camera inspection trial, and the same polished cover is labelled good and scratched in different views. The bright line moves. Where do we start untangling this?

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JamieBrown0904
Replying to AnikaBennett0769

Find that actual cover first. We wasted a morning arguing over reflections on a part nobody had kept. Can the person who labelled it show you the supposed scratch on the surface?

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AnikaBennett0769
Replying to JamieBrown0904

Cover is still here, happily. Nobody marked the area, and the person who labelled the folder was judging from the images rather than inspecting it

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JamieBrown0904
Replying to AnikaBennett0769

Right, so those labels are opinions about pictures. I'd have quality inspect the cover and record any actual defect location before using either image as a tuning reference.

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OscarBennett0706
Replying to AnikaBennett0769

Who defines an unacceptable scratch for this product? Identifying a surface feature and deciding that it fails the appearance requirement are separate decisions.

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JamieBrown0904
Replying to OscarBennett0706

Quality should answer that too. Sorry, I skipped from finding a mark to calling it a defect. There may be allowed surface features we need the camera to ignore.

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JonasBrooks0807
Replying to AnikaBennett0769

And hold the presentation still. Moving the cover changes the lighting you're arguing about.

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JamieBrown0904
Replying to JonasBrooks0807

Agreed, but I'd keep a few controlled pose variations in the trial as well. We need to know what happens when the presentation isn't perfectly repeated, not only get one flattering image.

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AnikaBennett0769
Replying to OscarBennett0706

Quality found no scratch at the bright line's location. There is a small edge scuff elsewhere. We've recorded both, and neither original folder label tells that story

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ImranBennett0740
Replying to AnikaBennett0769

Retain the corrected explanation with the images so a future trainer does not accidentally restore the old labels when rebuilding the dataset.

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AnikaBennett0769
Replying to ImranBennett0740

Done. Old labels remain in the audit history, excluded from our reference set. Next question is how much pose variation our fixture actually permits

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ImranBennett0740
Replying to AnikaBennett0769

Use that permitted variation in the training examples, with quality's decision attached, so an operator can distinguish an uncertain image from an accepted surface condition.

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JamieBrown0904
Replying to AnikaBennett0769

Nice to have the physical cover settle one part of the argument. Are you measuring the presentation variation, or is that still someone wiggling it by eye? We started with the latter and got very creative results.

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JonasBrooks0807
Replying to JamieBrown0904

Measure the seating repeatability first. My 'hold it still' reply made that sound easier than it is.

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JamieBrown0904
Replying to JonasBrooks0807

A simple repeat-seating study should give the fixture and imaging people something shared to work from. Let them define the method; otherwise a camera change could hide a seating problem you're meant to fix.

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OscarBennett0706
Replying to AnikaBennett0769

Has quality confirmed whether the edge scuff is acceptable? The bright reflection is now explained, but that second feature still needs a disposition before the cover becomes a labelled reference.

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