Bracket correction allowance with no first released dimension

StevenBriggs · 26 Mar 2026, 11:57 UTC

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StevenBriggs
I can identify the gusseted bracket and its final accepted check in our FR5 planning file. The earlier fixture check says aligned, then fabrication records straightening, but there is no first released dimension. I'm happy to retain the correction history. I'm not happy calling its estimated duration a measured saving for the new fixture.

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DineshAdams0125
Replying to StevenBriggs

Could the supervisor identify the basis of that duration separately from the inspection history, so you can retain an estimate without presenting it as a timed result from this bracket?

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StevenBriggs
Replying to DineshAdams0125

He based it on what he remembers from that product family. It includes waiting for inspection, though he couldn't split the two parts of the allowance.

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RobinBaker0512
Replying to StevenBriggs

Then don't label it straightening time. Half the job may be standing around.

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ReeceBell0645
Replying to StevenBriggs

Does the recorded correction identify what was changed on this bracket? I mean the actual entry, not the supervisor's recollection of the usual job.

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HarishChen1185
Replying to ReeceBell0645

Worth checking that. In one file I reviewed, the supposed correction was planned machining already costed elsewhere. The word correction was added in a later summary. Yours may really be straightening, but the original operation description matters

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StevenBriggs
Replying to ReeceBell0645

Reece, it names straightening of the upright, signed by fabrication. Harish, no planned machining hidden in this one. The missing first released reading still prevents a measured before-and-after comparison.

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Simon_Blair
Replying to StevenBriggs

Keep that limit. A signed operation isn't its missing measurement.

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OwenAli0225
Replying to StevenBriggs

Who is deciding which current brackets enter the new observation? Selecting only the ones sent for correction would miss the work that already passes.

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CalebChan1102
Replying to OwenAli0225

And use one defined inspection method throughout.

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StephanieBowen
Replying to CalebChan1102

Include the restrained and released states as different observations. A model holding the bracket at nominal geometry should not be treated as a prediction of its released condition.

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StevenBriggs
Replying to OwenAli0225

Quality selected an ordinary current batch, not only failures. We are recording incoming fit-up, fixture identity, first released check, any correction and final check against each bracket. Active work and waiting have separate entries.

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NadiaAllen0291
Replying to StevenBriggs

Will that include the correction person's other work, or assume they're always waiting for this bracket?

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StevenBriggs
Replying to NadiaAllen0291

Other work is included. The first observation followed six brackets: four passed at first release, two needed straightening and reinspection. Waiting for the shared inspector took longer than the active correction on those two.

3points
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RobinBaker0512
Replying to StevenBriggs

Useful. The queue finally made it onto the sheet.

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StevenBriggs
Replying to StevenBriggs

We've removed the old measured-saving claim. The estimator has this six-bracket observation and its scope, plus the supervisor's separately labelled wider estimate. We aren't extrapolating six parts into a guarantee for the FR5 fixture.

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DineshAdams0125
Replying to StevenBriggs

Thank you for separating those bases; can the covering planner find the observation and the estimate without having to ask you which number is which?

9points

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