How do I price 163 cartons without calling every unknown included?

AlistairCampbell · 14 Jun 2026, 03:38 UTC

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AlistairCampbell
FR10 arm price looked manageable. Now fixtures, guarding and training are filling the estimate. Need complete proposals compared while the remaining design costs stay honestly uncertain. Where do I stop the total becoming fiction?

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OmarArcher0404
Replying to AlistairCampbell

Separate firm prices from allowances and excluded work. Put an owner and the missing information beside each uncertain line, or the smallest-looking total will simply be the least complete.

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AlistairCampbell
Replying to OmarArcher0404

One quote says training included with no scope. Another names two days but excludes staff cover. Our internal sheet treats both as zero extra cost.

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MayaAli0214
Replying to AlistairCampbell

I'd ask who attends and what those days cover, Alistair. Two days with the builder operating the station may be less useful than shorter sessions where both shifts practise the approved changeover and recovery cases.

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LeahBrooks0843
Replying to AlistairCampbell

And include the production time lost while people attend. Training can be included in the invoice and still cost the workshop something.

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AmaraBarnes0600
Replying to AlistairCampbell

Our first estimate also omitted spare presentation fixtures, because everyone pictured the fitted set and nobody pictured a damaged one waiting for repair while the next order arrived.

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OmarArcher0404
Replying to AmaraBarnes0600

Amara, would you buy a spare set immediately? I'd price availability and replacement lead time before making that another automatic addition to a pilot.

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AmaraBarnes0600
Replying to OmarArcher0404

Not automatically, Omar; I meant expose the cover plan and its cost, which might be a spare, repair arrangement or accepted downtime rather than another complete set on day one.

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AlistairCampbell
Replying to AmaraBarnes0600

That distinction helps. We're estimating a production cell, but the first order is only 163. I don't want every possible contingency bought immediately or silently left with maintenance.

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MayaAli0214
Replying to AlistairCampbell

For staffing, I'd use the intended order mix rather than only the initial quantity. A single first order can show the task, but it won't represent frequent changeovers if that's what follows.

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LeahBrooks0843
Replying to AlistairCampbell

Does preparation begin from your real incoming cartons? Or have the proposals already unpacked them at no cost?

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AlistairCampbell
Replying to LeahBrooks0843

One proposal starts with arranged trays. The other includes presentation fixtures but not who fills them. Neither prices the same incoming condition as our current bench.

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OmarArcher0404
Replying to AlistairCampbell

Then agree that boundary before ranking. You can retain their current totals, but label what each buys instead of pretending the difference is a robot-price saving.

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AmaraBarnes0600
Replying to LeahBrooks0843

Leah's preparation question should go to the people doing that work too, because our supplier's allowance looked reasonable until the operator showed how many mixed boxes arrived between changeovers.

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MayaAli0214
Replying to AmaraBarnes0600

Amara, yes, and estimates from operators can remain estimates with their source stated. They do not need to become invented stopwatch data just because purchasing wants a comparison this week.

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AlistairCampbell
Replying to OmarArcher0404

Rebuilt the comparison around actual incoming cartons and the same output. Internal labour allowances have named sources. Suppliers still owe preparation staffing and training scope, so neither total is final.

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OmarArcher0404
Replying to AlistairCampbell

Has that changed which proposal appears cheaper, Alistair? Interested whether the apparent gap survives once the excluded jobs have names.

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LeahBrooks0843
Replying to AlistairCampbell

Whatever the answer, keep the unresolved lines on the summary page. Otherwise somebody will quote the old arm price and ask why the workshop made it expensive.

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