Our vacuum quotation tests a loose panel, not the stack

SaraAbbott0026 · 4 Nov 2025, 19:03 UTC

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SaraAbbott0026
I cannot compare the two FR10 tooling quotations fairly. One includes a separator arrangement. The cheaper one includes a vacuum tool and a photograph of it holding one enclosure panel. Our panels arrive nested in a stack. Both suppliers have priced the same drawing, but apparently not the same problem.

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GabrielAli0192
Replying to SaraAbbott0026

Did either supplier handle panels from your actual stack?

16 points
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DavidAli0258
Replying to SaraAbbott0026

Price the same scope first. The separator may be useful, but a named extra is not enough to make that quotation complete either. Ask each supplier how they expect a single panel to leave your stack and reach its support at the destination.

15 points
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SaraAbbott0026
Replying to GabrielAli0192

Neither has our panels, Gabriel. They received the drawing and a photograph of the stack. The holding photograph uses a loose sample they already had.

14 points
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ClaraAdams0089
Replying to DavidAli0258

Then the dearer option hasn't demonstrated separation either.

11 points
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DavidAli0258
Replying to ClaraAdams0089

Agreed, Clara. I would not award it on the separator's name. I want equivalent proposed work priced so Sara can see which uncertainty each quote actually covers.

10 points
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SamBennett0768
Replying to SaraAbbott0026

Could send a small untouched stack first, cheaper than discovering somebody's test panels were all lovingly peeled apart.

5 points
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RebeccaAllen0343
Replying to SaraAbbott0026

Are these panels packed with paper between them, Sara? Our receiving photo once hid that detail completely and the quoted handling method assumed bare parts.

20 points
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StevenBailey
Replying to RebeccaAllen0343

Any film on the faces, or bare metal?

6 points
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Simon_Bailey
Replying to DavidAli0258

Would the proposed single-panel check distinguish a second panel hanging unevenly below the first?

5 points
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SaraAbbott0026
Replying to RebeccaAllen0343

Rebecca and Steven: no paper, but protective film on one face. The shallow folded edges nest. That detail is on the drawing; the film is only in our purchase description.

18 points
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EmmaBrooks0811
Replying to SaraAbbott0026

I'd send the purchase description too. Actually, send the relevant packing section rather than the whole commercial file. They could build something very convincingly around the wrong incoming condition.

11 points
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AmyArcher0380
Replying to SamBennett0768

And keep a few panels in their received state, Sara, so whoever loads the machine later isn't quietly expected to separate and straighten every stack beforehand.

5 points
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LeahBennett0756
Replying to DavidAli0258

What is the destination support? The quotation may finish at 'panel held', while your assembly fixture needs the tool to release without letting a corner drop

14 points
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HanaBrooks0796
Replying to LeahBennett0756

Leah's point could change the layout, not just the cups. A broad support under the panel might help during release, but only if the assembly work can still reach it. I would put that conversation beside the separation trial, not wait until the tool arrives.

13 points
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SaraAbbott0026
Replying to LeahBennett0756

Leah, the destination has four corner supports in the current sketch. The assembly designer has not agreed the middle support yet. I have added him to the quotation review.

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ClaraAdams0089
Replying to SaraAbbott0026

Four corners on a sketch says very little about a thin middle.

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HanaBrooks0796
Replying to ClaraAdams0089

True, but we don't know the span or formed stiffness either. Let the designer work with the actual panel before we prescribe a fifth support from here.

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SaraAbbott0026
Replying to EmmaBrooks0811

The suppliers now have the same packing description. One has included a trial with our nested panels. The other still offers a loose-panel holding test. I have asked for that difference to be priced explicitly.

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SamBennett0768
Replying to SaraAbbott0026

Worth asking who separates the trial stack before you arrive. Sounds daft. It isn't.

10 points
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SaraAbbott0026
Replying to SamBennett0768

We will supply a packed stack for the trial, Sam. Thank you for that distinction. It is now in the trial description, along with the destination support review.

10 points

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