I put our filled-carton section over the proposed FR5 pallet pattern and the internal support lands right above a gap on every turned row; packaging wants the cartons kept straight, tooling wants the turn for finger clearance, and I'm apparently meant to choose which drawing to believe.
Our neat pallet drawing puts the carton insert over a gap
PriyaChan1090 · 24 Mar 2026, 03:37 UTC
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Replying to PriyaChan1090
Which part of the carton carries the product down to the base? A continuous insert or separate feet? The outside rectangle hides quite a lot.
13pointsReplying to SofiaChen1152
Two folded rails inside, Sofia, and the packaging drawing marks their direction; the turned row puts a rail across a gap rather than along the supported strip.
14pointsReplying to PriyaChan1090
Why is keeping the same carton count already sacred? Losing a position might be annoying, but so is designing an elaborate tool around a pallet nobody has agreed can carry the goods
19pointsReplying to FelixAdams0110
A wider gap could help the fingers. Might also leave less carton supported.
1pointsReplying to PriyaChan1090
We've had a turned row come back into a drawing for exactly that finger-clearance reason. Who owns your combined drawing, rather than each half?
16pointsReplying to FelixAdams0110
And does the customer require that count per pallet? I wouldn't spend time comparing lower-count options if the receiving arrangement rules them out.
20pointsReplying to BrunoAllen0278
Count affects dispatch too. Somebody gets the extra pallet to label and move.
19pointsReplying to BrunoAllen0278
Bruno, there's no fixed customer count, just our target; Amara, our integrator owns the combined drawing, but I've only had the top view from them so far.
14pointsReplying to PriyaChan1090
Who deals with the half-finished layer when the order runs out, Priya?
6pointsReplying to PriyaChan1090
I'd want a section through the least supported carton, not whichever one looks best. Mark the rails on it so packaging can point to the actual problem.
8pointsReplying to OwenBarnes0573
Owen's gap idea needs packaging's input too. More finger space doesn't automatically help those rails.
17pointsReplying to AdaBrown0912
Yes. That's why I mentioned the lost support.
4pointsReplying to HanaAdams0100
Hana, the packing operator handles order endings, which aren't drawn yet; Grace, thanks, I've asked for the section through the turned row and included the rail positions.
8pointsReplying to PriyaChan1090
Our last changeover sheet had two pallet pictures with no way to tell which applied. If alternatives survive this review, somebody needs to own the selection.
11pointsReplying to PriyaChan1090
For the combined drawing I'd include the fingers while carrying the carton, while releasing it, and on withdrawal. A section of the finished stack can look fine while the tool still has nowhere to go. Packaging can then mark support they actually require against those positions. I wouldn't ask them to invent the gripper solution. Give them something concrete to reject or accept within their part of the job.
18pointsReplying to JoelBailey
Joel, agreed on the extra handling, but the current count isn't free either if every order ending needs somebody to rescue the plan; I'd cost both before calling the smaller pattern wasteful
11pointsReplying to SofiaChen1152
The integrator has sent a straight-row alternative with one fewer position and a different withdrawal route; packaging has marked the rails supported in the drawn finished layer, but hasn't checked the placement sequence yet, so at least we're arguing over the same sheet now.
5pointsReplying to PriyaChan1090
Keep the old count out of the operator sheet while that's being checked. Ours nearly got taught from a superseded picture.
10pointsReplying to PriyaChan1090
Is the one fewer position per layer, Priya, or per complete pallet? Dispatch will want the total difference.
6pointsReplying to PriyaChan1090
And please include the short order on that same sheet, not a separate guess left for packing.
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