Can't recommend the FR5 purchase with fixture labour still blank

BethBennett0759 · 24 Apr 2025, 11:25 UTC

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BethBennett0759
I priced an FR5 and gripper for loading connector housings, then my colleague asked who was designing the nest and supporting changeovers. My estimate had rather quietly left both out. Need a small pilot that settles those costs before I put another number in front of her.

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MayaChen1171
Replying to BethBennett0759

What decision does the pilot need to answer? Buying the whole cell is too much to hang on a few successful picks.

25 points
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BethBennett0759
Replying to MayaChen1171

Whether our housings can be presented consistently without someone arranging every one. Fixture work is the big unknown. Arm choice can wait.

14 points
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MayaChen1171
Replying to BethBennett0759

Then start with presentation. Can the operator show you what arrives in a normal box?

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BethBennett0759
Replying to MayaChen1171

We have retained a normal box from the last run, including the tangled bits the demo conveniently never saw.

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OmarBrooks0839
Replying to BethBennett0759

Don't tidy it for the trial. Sounds obvious, until somebody helpfully tidies it for the trial.

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MayaChen1171
Replying to BethBennett0759

Who is recording the preparation time?

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HazelBrown0919
Replying to BethBennett0759

Let your colleague choose some cases with the operator. It'll help both of you trust the result, and she may spot the jobs you've stopped noticing because you know the setup too well.

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BethBennett0759
Replying to HazelBrown0919

She agreed to that. Also wants the awkward end of the box included. Fair request; those last few parts take more handling than the rest.

9 points
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BethBennett0759
Replying to MayaChen1171

She'll time preparation while I observe the presentation trial. Neither of us will be the person doing all the arranging this time.

14 points
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JonasBrooks0807
Replying to BethBennett0759

Which nest revision are you testing?

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MayaChen1171
Replying to BethBennett0759

Have you settled the trial's effort limit too? Otherwise every bad result can become permission to spend another afternoon improving the nest.

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OmarBrooks0839
Replying to MayaChen1171

The afternoon is never in the original estimate either.

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BethBennett0759
Replying to MayaChen1171

One provisional nest, drawing identified in the trial notes. We agreed a time limit and a review point before another revision is made. My colleague insisted on that bit.

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MayaChen1171
Replying to BethBennett0759

What would make you stop at that review?

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HazelBrown0919
Replying to BethBennett0759

And don't bury the operator's work in the average. I want to know if one bad arrival needs a skilled person hovering there, even when most of the box sails through.

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BethBennett0759
Replying to MayaChen1171

We would pause if routine presentation still needs constant arranging, or another tooling change can't be costed sensibly. Assistance gets recorded separately. The aim isn't to keep going until one video looks good.

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JonasBrooks0807
Replying to JonasBrooks0807

Was my nest question missed?

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MayaChen1171
Replying to JonasBrooks0807

She said the drawing was in the trial notes, but you're right, the revision isn't in this thread. Beth, which one are you using?

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BethBennett0759
Replying to JonasBrooks0807

Rev C, Jonas. Sorry, I read your question too quickly. That's the one with the removable locating insert. We haven't ordered production tooling.

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BethBennett0759
Replying to BethBennett0759

Trial finished within the agreed effort. Several normal arrivals still need hand arranging, so we're pausing the arm purchase and getting a priced presentation proposal. My colleague and I finally agree on the next decision.

5 points

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